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What color gelcoat.
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posted 07-31-2001 07:27 PM ET (US)
O.K., my boat is sitting upside down in the driveway and I am about to use peelaway to remove the old botom paint. Hopefully, there will not be any major surprises when its off.
What color gelcoat is on a 1982 13?
The folks at spectrum color told me the interior was "outrage grey" and the exterior was "desert tan." They look the same to me.
Whats the best way to apply gel coat (alot)?
If the botom is scratched up i think i might paint it. Probably a nice blue. Then paint where thi rub rail attaches the same color and try to use a white rub-rail. Might give a nice custom look.
Whats the best paint? Awlgrip seems to get mentioned often.
|Tom W Clark||
posted 07-31-2001 11:15 PM ET (US)
The folks at Spectrum are correct and so are you. How? The Outrage Gray and the Desert Tan are similar to start with but after 19 years of sunlight they are both bleached out to something lighter and closer to one another. I have said this before and I will say it again here: There is no one color for one particular model and year boat! Theoretically yes, but in reality no. Color changes and different batches vary at the factory. If you are going for a perfect match you will have to play around with it a bit.
If you are trying to match the color of your boat's gelcoat then be sure to sand, buff or polish the area you are using as a reference first before matching the gelcoat you buy. You don't want to match your hulls color, do a repair, and then buff it all out only to find it's not the same. If you are talking about doing the whole outside of your hull then there's no problem, just choose a color and go with it. If you want to be authentic then buy the Outrage Gray.
posted 08-01-2001 08:45 AM ET (US)
Scratches are no big deal, you will get more. Gouges on the other hand....I would do an epoxy paint like awlgrip after repairs. Gelcoat is very expensive and in order to do a whole hull is VERY entailed.
posted 08-01-2001 12:14 PM ET (US)
Bigshot, what does it cost to have an entire hull done on, let's say a Montauk?
posted 08-01-2001 01:05 PM ET (US)
Maybe my guy is cheap and I am off base but I would say to awlgrip a 17, inside and out, less than $1500, probably more like $1000. If you did it yourself, materials would be $300-500. A boat is a boat(obviously). There is minimal prep work(as in detail) and most are sprayed outside or in a warehouse. No paint booths, No nothing. This is not a show quality paint job that is done on boats. Maaco or Earl shives is more like it. Will it be like new, no but it will look just as good(until it chips). Nothing beats original gel but that is usually not an option. I am probably down playing this a bit, but just trying to stress that you can get a show quality paint job but why on earth would you? It is a tough paint that will hold up great but you are dealing with old gel that is cracked, repaired, wavy, flexible, etc. You are gonna bump into docks, trailer stops, etc. My Baja looks great. If you scrutinize it like a car, eh...no. But is not a car is it.
posted 08-02-2001 03:08 PM ET (US)
Your guy is cheap, I had my '59 13ft awlgrip painted both inside and out. I stripped the boat of everything myself. I paid $2100.00, about 1200-1400 for prep the rest to paint. I would have been better off doing all the prep myself. Shop labor was about $35 -$40/hr
posted 08-02-2001 03:11 PM ET (US)
Ouch! My prep was basically a sanding and taping. No holes, or anything, just a paint job.
posted 08-02-2001 07:40 PM ET (US)
ok..Now I'm confused Sinclair (and Tom)..
Sinclair you say that you were told the outrage gray was for the interior..and the tan was for exterior..hmmm seems the 1972 to 1984 were the same colors. According to a email I received..Interior: Rockland Tan..Exterior: Outrage Grey (at least for MY boat)
I am a little upset! I just did the Gel coat paste on my '73 13 sport. NOT EVEN CLOSE..and I'm not a picky guy.
Package states :spectrum Gel coat patch paste repair..Boston whaler 1972-1984 Lt Grey The part number is #2204
Am I that dense? (don't answer that..rhetorical) In any case, I can't reach them on the phone this evening but will tomorrow morning..figure I just blew 24.00 and 3 hrs of time.
posted 08-06-2001 11:47 AM ET (US)
Makonut: Don't be so surprised as this is a classic problem with Spectrum - no pun intended. I made some repairs to my light blue hull. The colors looked great in the jar, but everything changed once a final sanding and polishing was completed. I am a good shade off (darker) than the original OEM blue.
My suggestion to those thinking of using Spectrum for repairs is to bite the bullet and get two kits and a color match kit. Reason: you mix up at least a 1/4 each time you catalyze the material and actually Sprectrum suggests mixing half. My experience with this stuff is that the catalyzed open time is more like 15 - 20 minutes, so you have to work fast and likely need a second kit anyway if you are doing any appreciable work.
In doing so, mix your first batch and despite the anxiousness to fill every scratch and gouge... WAIT. Assuming the color is fairly close just do one small area and go ahead and sand and polish to a finish. That way you will see how the color matches with the original if you did not tint. Then assess the color match and think about what you would change to better match. Then experiment a little with what is left over from your first kit. Then come back and try to custom color (lighten / darken / shade / etc.) the next batches of gelcoat to better approximate the match with the existing gelcoat.
|Tom W Clark||
posted 08-06-2001 12:18 PM ET (US)
I didn't catch that in Sinclair7's post. You are correct: gray outside, tan inside. Probably just a typo...
As to your poor color match, this is exactly what I'm talking about. I've been through this before many times and went through the same frustration.
I use Fiberlay's gelcoat patch paste www.fiberlay.com Their patch paste kits cost $11.50; Fiberlay has quite a few different shades of gray and tan for different years of Whalers but I think this simply reflects the fact that different customers have come in over the years with different Whalers in different levels of decay and asked for gel coat that matches.
I finally figured out that it was not that I was buying (or being sold) the wrong product, but rather it would have to be up to me find the right match or even mix the right color myself.
Bob is correct about tinting your batch. I just use a little white to lighten, or dark gray to darken my patches. It will always pay to have several different shades on hand to get a batch just right. I have had to mix different colors just to get a good match for different parts of the same hull or console. Don't let it get you down, just play around with it.
You can mix up as little or as much as you want. I always try to mix up only what I need. If it's one screw hole then only mix up a dab. The trick here is to not over-catalyze it. This is the most common mistake. It will actually make the the paste not set up. Also you can accelerate the curing with a hair drier or heat gun if you are in a hurry. You can be sanding in as little as five minutes.
posted 08-06-2001 05:05 PM ET (US)
Thank you for the post. (You restored my faith) As you can tell I was little upset to say the least. I called spectrum after sending a pic of the problem area..their going to send a "tan" paste for a additional 16 bucks + frt. I'm going to bite the bullet since it was my fault (??)..I shoulda, coulda, woulda sent a patch to begin with. I was just hoping to get the boat in the water this last weekend and let it sit to develop a scum line so I could find a reference for a hull stripe above water and a line for bottom paint. Tom: thanks again. Your always there when needed.
The "other" old guy of the sea
Jer (just added fiberlay to my favorites!!)
posted 08-06-2001 06:27 PM ET (US)
I'm a great photographer...The worlds worse painter!! I couldn't match a color if my life depended on it..:) (I tried mixing some evercoat and came out with some horrendous blue grey when I wanted a lt brown. Worse comes to worse, I'll have to leave it to the pros..but..willing to take another shot at it before shelling out the big bucks.
posted 08-06-2001 06:40 PM ET (US)
Well... if I was any better at matching, my Nauset wouldn't look so much like a light blue cow in a few places. But now I now and I guess I preserved yet another re-do project for next winter... or October if you live in Chicago like we do.
posted 08-06-2001 10:51 PM ET (US)
Bob..Was raised in Chicago NW side ..Remember fishing for Herring off Navy Pier..wow in the 40's??? (now we fish year round..but have to tell you..I miss Chicago!!
Don't get me rambling..I may never stop
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