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Taylor posted 08-27-2001 06:50 PM ET (US)   Profile for Taylor   Send Email to Taylor  
My '88 Montauk has the full canvas set, and it has a nifty way of holding down the front of the canvas cuddy, with a extra aluminum bow that lies flat on the deck just in front of the hatch. This hoop is held down by two hook hold down thingies, and that way you don't need a dozen twist fittings litered across the deck.

The problem? They put the two hold downs beside the hatch in an area with no backer board. When I got the boat, the fittings came to me in a margarine tub of spare parts.

The way the fitings were attached was couple of machine screws threaded into rubber T style nuts, and the rubber was supposed to grab the glass by compression and friction. Of course they pulled right out.

Does anyone else have this setup, and what's the best way to handle the problem.

Options would be to glass in a nut, or perhaps move the holddowns to a location with backer board and use wood screws.

Taylor posted 08-27-2001 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Reading another thread about stripped out holes... how about Marine Tex ('Great for quick repairs, bonds to all metals, most plastics, plywood, etc. Handles like putty. Hardens like steel. Sands like wood.')

I could drill 3/8" by say 1 1/2" deep, push perhaps push a wood dowel down to the bottom and fill the top 3/4" with Marine Tex. Will that create something substantial?

whalerron posted 08-28-2001 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
How hard will that canvas be pulling on the fiberglass. With the whalers, you must be very careful when attaching things to areas of the hull that don't have wood backing. A continuous pull on an area that doesn't have the wood backing could pull the fiberglass away from the foam. If that happens, you will have a major repair job on your hands.

- ron

Kelly posted 08-28-2001 09:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
Taylor, I have a similar set up on my 1980 model. I will take a look at it when I get home. Kelly
Kelly posted 08-28-2001 08:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
Taylor, my '80 model has one thingy. It looks like it is made of the same material as the standoffs for the rails. This piece attaches to the deck with two screws, more or less permanently. There is a third machine screw that holds a curved aluminum piece that hooks onto the frame for the front canvas. My thingy is on the centerline of the boat. Does not appear loose. Hope this helps. Kelly
dscew posted 08-28-2001 11:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
any photos of the above set up?
Taylor posted 08-29-2001 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Kelly - That does help. There is embedded wood forward of the hatch, but not on the sides. I'll investigate moving the hold downs and just patching the old holes.

Whalerron - the pull is proportional to the windload on the forward shelter. If the wind gets strong, that's not the time to have these things fail.

rwest posted 09-03-2001 11:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for rwest  Send Email to rwest     
Taylor, Where'd you find the canvas? I'd like to add a set to my 16 but the cost of new Mills set is about $1500. Have not seen any used sets on the web.
Taylor posted 09-04-2001 03:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
rwest- It came with the boat, certainly a bonus. I'm not sure if I have Mills or not, I have not yet been searching for tags, but the previous owner said it was original, and its is fairly unused, the canvas was garaged and not on the boat when I found it. Nice.

People have argued that Mills stuff is better. A local canvas shop (I'm in Seattle and we have lots of local canavas shops) can make something, but you might want to give them some Mills canvas to look at, it drops down really nice inside the rails and has very few points of attachment to clutter things up.

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