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george nagy posted 10-09-2001 01:07 PM ET (US)
I have to do some repairing this fall on the outrage. One repair is the console floor. Mine is plywood with a vynl covering, Is this original? It is supported with aluminum angle brackets screwed to the inside of the console, there is also some 2x4 blocks under the middle probably to support the two heavy batteries. Anyway I need to do a better job I'm thinking starboard or aluminum. What do you guys think and have you done similar updates?
Taylor posted 10-09-2001 02:23 PM ET (US)
I was just looking at my console floor, and wondering about that vinyl over plywood also. Reminds me of the inside of a kitchen cabinet. Mine sounds just like yours, except I don't have an 2x4 blocks under the middle. I'd guess those were added. BTW, 88 Montauk. You did not mention year or model.
One problem I see with the Montauk is there are not many places to put all those little things that kick around inside boats. Binocs, flare kit, tools, fishing accoutrements, chart books, beer. (oh wait, the Montauk is already ideally configured for beer). If I were to do some upgrading, I think time spent putting in some sort of bins, shelves, slings or something to keep stuff in there organized would be time well spent.
LarrySherman posted 10-09-2001 09:22 PM ET (US)
George,
Mine is just like yours. 20 years old, and the wood was getting soft at the corners.
I pulled back the vinyl covering, took of the adheasive (lots of chemicals and sanding), then epoxyied on a layer of glass, I then painted it white with a generic marine epoxy (pettit, I think). It came out fine.
Hope this helps, Larry.
PS: Thanks for the thru hull pictures this summer, they really helped.
tscafidi posted 10-10-2001 03:51 PM ET (US)
I had the same problem. I did use starbroad for the floor and for the brackets I used aluminum. I also cut out a space for the battery, so it sits on the deck. This way I don’t have all that weight on the console floor. This worked out great.
george nagy posted 10-10-2001 04:44 PM ET (US)
I was thinking of doing the same with cutting out for the batteries to recess in the floor. I was think however that it might be a little more difficult to pull them out. How is it for you? I have a deepcycle minnkotta and a delco marine battery starting I think.
What thickness starboard did you use?
Did you have to remove the console?
Kim posted 10-10-2001 09:23 PM ET (US)
I did mine in ( ABS ) Plastic. black. cuts like wood routes like wood. it has a texture ( like a non skid ) but not rough, you can get it at a plastic store. where they sell plexy glass. I got 1/4 inch sheet cut it in 1/2 and glued it together for 1/2/ inch / cut out for the batts. it has been in for 7 years and looks the same as it did when I pur it in. the people that have seen it always ask WHAT IS THAT ! haven't had any not like. It's grate stuf.
I used the allum. brackets lkie the rest of you. this ABS is ok to use screws in S/S only in my salt water boat. I just looked in the grage and I can't find the cut out from the bat. it's been a long time. but if you want to find out more / and can't find it at a plastic store ? I could stop by the place where I bought it and find out more. but it is common here I would guess it would be easy to find any where. it comes in white also and I think other colors also. if you use this it should be the last time you replace it. also it comes in difrent thicknes the guy I got it from only had 1/4 in blk. thats why I glued the two toghther. 1/4 inch will not hold the lbs. of a big batt, when puting them in / or takeing them out.
kim
tscafidi posted 10-11-2001 10:13 AM ET (US)
It isn’t to bad get the battery out. I used ½ inch starbroad , it was about $50.00, but well worth it. I didn’t through bolt the Alm. brackets. What I did do is use 3M 5200 on the screws. So far so good.
tscafidi posted 10-11-2001 10:14 AM ET (US)
Yes I did remove the console. I repowered with a Honda 130 abd had everything out so it was no big deal.
dfmcintyre posted 10-11-2001 10:36 AM ET (US)
I've had two Montauks that had a internal battery installation, and currenty the outrage has a dual install. The first Montauk we mounted it on the console floor, it lasted there about two seasons.
The second Montauk came to me with it installed, with a cutout onto the deck floor. It was an "Ah" moment.
The Outrage was redone and with a cutout. No problem with removing them. Also mounted a battery switch on the port inside area, just above where the tunnel starts.
There have been some threads mentioning that there can be excessive corrosion due to the battery outgassing, and building up inside the console, affecting the instruments and switches. While I have not experienced this, it could be a concern, especially in consoles that do not have louvered doors.
A workaround for this problem could be to drill the top of the battery case (NOT the battery!) and silicone a small plastic tube into the hole, and run it up to a small chrome vent mounted on the side of the console.
Best- Don
acseatsri posted 10-11-2001 11:02 AM ET (US)
Just curious, but are the batteries in battery boxes? I'm doing the same soon. I intend to keep them in the boxes. I've also been convinced to move the oil tank there as well, also housed in a battery box.
tscafidi posted 10-11-2001 11:44 AM ET (US)
Yes it is in box, also I put eye hooks on both sides of the box so I could use a bungee cord to secure the top of the box down.
Kim posted 10-12-2001 12:58 AM ET (US)
Boy did this get screwed up!
I was talking about the deck in the consel of a montauk 17 mine is ABS plastic (s/p)
not batts. or what the deck will hold!! DO ANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT TYP OF PLASTIC I'M TALKING ABOUt???
kim.

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Author	Topic: Standard console floor?
george nagy	posted 10-09-2001 01:07 PM ET (US) I have to do some repairing this fall on the outrage. One repair is the console floor. Mine is plywood with a vynl covering, Is this original? It is supported with aluminum angle brackets screwed to the inside of the console, there is also some 2x4 blocks under the middle probably to support the two heavy batteries. Anyway I need to do a better job I'm thinking starboard or aluminum. What do you guys think and have you done similar updates?
Taylor	posted 10-09-2001 02:23 PM ET (US) I was just looking at my console floor, and wondering about that vinyl over plywood also. Reminds me of the inside of a kitchen cabinet. Mine sounds just like yours, except I don't have an 2x4 blocks under the middle. I'd guess those were added. BTW, 88 Montauk. You did not mention year or model. One problem I see with the Montauk is there are not many places to put all those little things that kick around inside boats. Binocs, flare kit, tools, fishing accoutrements, chart books, beer. (oh wait, the Montauk is already ideally configured for beer). If I were to do some upgrading, I think time spent putting in some sort of bins, shelves, slings or something to keep stuff in there organized would be time well spent.
LarrySherman	posted 10-09-2001 09:22 PM ET (US) George, Mine is just like yours. 20 years old, and the wood was getting soft at the corners. I pulled back the vinyl covering, took of the adheasive (lots of chemicals and sanding), then epoxyied on a layer of glass, I then painted it white with a generic marine epoxy (pettit, I think). It came out fine. Hope this helps, Larry. PS: Thanks for the thru hull pictures this summer, they really helped.
tscafidi	posted 10-10-2001 03:51 PM ET (US) I had the same problem. I did use starbroad for the floor and for the brackets I used aluminum. I also cut out a space for the battery, so it sits on the deck. This way I don’t have all that weight on the console floor. This worked out great.
george nagy	posted 10-10-2001 04:44 PM ET (US) I was thinking of doing the same with cutting out for the batteries to recess in the floor. I was think however that it might be a little more difficult to pull them out. How is it for you? I have a deepcycle minnkotta and a delco marine battery starting I think. What thickness starboard did you use? Did you have to remove the console?
Kim	posted 10-10-2001 09:23 PM ET (US) I did mine in ( ABS ) Plastic. black. cuts like wood routes like wood. it has a texture ( like a non skid ) but not rough, you can get it at a plastic store. where they sell plexy glass. I got 1/4 inch sheet cut it in 1/2 and glued it together for 1/2/ inch / cut out for the batts. it has been in for 7 years and looks the same as it did when I pur it in. the people that have seen it always ask WHAT IS THAT ! haven't had any not like. It's grate stuf. I used the allum. brackets lkie the rest of you. this ABS is ok to use screws in S/S only in my salt water boat. I just looked in the grage and I can't find the cut out from the bat. it's been a long time. but if you want to find out more / and can't find it at a plastic store ? I could stop by the place where I bought it and find out more. but it is common here I would guess it would be easy to find any where. it comes in white also and I think other colors also. if you use this it should be the last time you replace it. also it comes in difrent thicknes the guy I got it from only had 1/4 in blk. thats why I glued the two toghther. 1/4 inch will not hold the lbs. of a big batt, when puting them in / or takeing them out. kim
tscafidi	posted 10-11-2001 10:13 AM ET (US) It isn’t to bad get the battery out. I used ½ inch starbroad , it was about $50.00, but well worth it. I didn’t through bolt the Alm. brackets. What I did do is use 3M 5200 on the screws. So far so good.
tscafidi	posted 10-11-2001 10:14 AM ET (US) Yes I did remove the console. I repowered with a Honda 130 abd had everything out so it was no big deal.
dfmcintyre	posted 10-11-2001 10:36 AM ET (US) I've had two Montauks that had a internal battery installation, and currenty the outrage has a dual install. The first Montauk we mounted it on the console floor, it lasted there about two seasons. The second Montauk came to me with it installed, with a cutout onto the deck floor. It was an "Ah" moment. The Outrage was redone and with a cutout. No problem with removing them. Also mounted a battery switch on the port inside area, just above where the tunnel starts. There have been some threads mentioning that there can be excessive corrosion due to the battery outgassing, and building up inside the console, affecting the instruments and switches. While I have not experienced this, it could be a concern, especially in consoles that do not have louvered doors. A workaround for this problem could be to drill the top of the battery case (NOT the battery!) and silicone a small plastic tube into the hole, and run it up to a small chrome vent mounted on the side of the console. Best- Don
acseatsri	posted 10-11-2001 11:02 AM ET (US) Just curious, but are the batteries in battery boxes? I'm doing the same soon. I intend to keep them in the boxes. I've also been convinced to move the oil tank there as well, also housed in a battery box.
tscafidi	posted 10-11-2001 11:44 AM ET (US) Yes it is in box, also I put eye hooks on both sides of the box so I could use a bungee cord to secure the top of the box down.
Kim	posted 10-12-2001 12:58 AM ET (US) Boy did this get screwed up! I was talking about the deck in the consel of a montauk 17 mine is ABS plastic (s/p) not batts. or what the deck will hold!! DO ANY OF YOU KNOW WHAT TYP OF PLASTIC I'M TALKING ABOUt??? kim.