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whalerron posted 10-23-2001 10:11 PM ET (US)   Profile for whalerron   Send Email to whalerron  
I am getting ready to replace the cable/pulley steering system in my 1969 Minot with a Teleflex thru-the-tilt-tube single cable system. The Minot and the Katama use the same console and I was wondering how long the cable is where this was done on a Katama. Also, how did you route the cable. Did you go through the side of the console and down the gunwale or did you route it through the tunnel. If you went through the tunnel, how big a loop did you need to leave back there in the stern. I have been all through the Cetacea pictures and I couldn't find any pictures that showed how the steering cable was routed as it came out of the tunnel in the stern on a Montauk style boat. So, pictures would be much appreciated too. Is it true that these cables can be bent as tight as an 8 inch radius when they go around bends?

Thanks,
ron

dscew posted 10-24-2001 11:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for dscew    
I have a 74 Katama which I am getting ready to winterize in the next few days. I will try to measure the length of the Teleflex steering cable and post it. It is routed through the tunnel; there are no cables running along the gunwales. I'll also photo the area where the cable exits the tunnel and try to figure the radius. From memory, I believe it is greater than 8" though.
whalerron posted 10-25-2001 09:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
Gunnelgrabber,

Thanks for the pictures. I will route my cable identically to the way you did yours in the stern. I am going to put a fairly large loop in under the console so that I can come off of the steering gear, straight over to the gunnel and then loop down under the console seat and back into the tunnel. My goal is to keep the cable out of way in the console.

dscew. Are you gunnelgrabber? If not, I would appreciate any info you send my way.

thanks,
ron

gunnelgrabber posted 10-25-2001 10:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
whalerron,..dscew and i are two different people.he's from minn, me, a floridian.that'd be awful nice if he measures the length of the cable for you. glad the pics were of some help..good luck on it..lm
Tim Ehlers posted 10-26-2001 01:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tim Ehlers  Send Email to Tim Ehlers     
Hey guys, This is my first post. I bought a 72 Katama about 5 weeks ago. I have it all apart, and have many questions. What length cable did you come up with? Also, if any of you guys have any pix of any views of your boats I would greatly appreciate you emailing them to me at debtimehlers@cs.com. Any console controls layout would be helpful. Thx, Tim
gunnelgrabber posted 10-26-2001 09:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
tim,.. look at cretacea # 30.some katamas have different seat options.mine has an rps like a montauk. most ,i think, had a fixed molded glass one. best wishes..lm
whalerron posted 10-26-2001 10:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
Tim,

There are pictures of my Minot on Cetacea page 33. Mine is a Minot which was the budget version of the Katama. It has the same console but less amenities.

I bought an 18 foot steering cable. I will use 5 feet for the loop at the stern, 6 feet in the tunnel and the extra 7 feet to make a big loop under the console. I am going to route the cable so that it goes from the helm straight over to the starboard gunnel. From there it will loop forward and down under the console forward seats. It will then loop back from under the seats and go along the floor and into the gunnel. I plan on doing it this way so that the cable is completely out of my way. I use the console for storage when underway and I didn't want to work around the cable as I put things under there.

gunnelgrabber sent me some pictures showing how his steering cable is routed under the console and also at the stern. Let me know if he hasn't sent them to you and I can forward them.

- ron

Tim Ehlers posted 10-27-2001 03:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tim Ehlers  Send Email to Tim Ehlers     
Thx for the info guys. Ron, I like your idea of using lots of cable. My boat had a new teleflex cable and box put in about a year and a half ago by the previous owner's brother-in-law who supposedly owned the boat since new in 72. I did not measure it yet, but it is shorter than I would like as it will be in that storage bay under the helm on its way to the tunnel with no room to spare. Ron, if you could forward the pix it would be appreciated. My boat was repowered in 93 with a 120 tohatsu. It has side controls which were mounted on the starboard gunnel in an uncomfortable location. Probably unsafe too. I am planning on moving the control to on top of the console and running the cables along the stbd gun'l. That is why I would like more helm pix. Did these originally come with the single Morse control lever? To change to that I would need the Morse control, new cables?, ignition switch, and tilt/trim switch as these are on the side control from tohatsu. Most of these have been repowered over the years, and I was wondering how it is usually handled. My control has lots of cable, but not quite enough to curve back and under the console and then down through the tunnel. I made a kind of nice mahogany bracket to cover the starboard side of the control box, but all is apart till I finish painting the console and I am open to suggestions. Also, I made a mahogany rps to replace the pedestal seats that were mounted to the deck with drywall anchors. What is the distance from the forward edge of your seats to the back edge of the console? I also plan raising the console 4 inches. How do you all like your console heights? My rps is high enough to fit over the 28 gal tempo tank that came with the boat and that makes it kinda high for the original console. I also refashioned the steering wheel mounting bracket so that it sits about an inch higher and tilts 20 degrees back so it is not flat parallel with the top of the console. Again thx for any feedback and pix. I have yet to hook up locally with any older or newer whaler owners. Tim
gunnelgrabber posted 10-27-2001 08:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for gunnelgrabber  Send Email to gunnelgrabber     
tim,..a response on your questions: my '75 katama came with a morse single lever control mounted on top ,starboard on the console. it has "popcorned", a cosmetic defect, but works fine mechanically. the standard ht. of the console is quite satisfactory for my purposes.i removed and refinished my rps,and use a removeable thwart seat in its place..so as to have more room aft.good luck...lm
whalerron posted 10-27-2001 11:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
Tim, the pictures should be in your inbox by now. Did you look at Cetacea page 33? There is a real good shot of the helm in my Minot. Notice that my boat has a side-mount engine control that is mounted to the side of the console next to the "cubby hole". You may be able to do the same sort of thing with your current tohatsu control.
I will take some measurements and post them here.
As for the console height, I would prefer a higher console but if it was higher, I would want it to be a center console. I don't care much for these "side consoles". They have provisions for seats in the front but if you let adults sit in them, the starboard side screws that hold the console to the gunnel get bent. I tried doubling up the number of screws but it doesn't help. I think a center console is more convenient too because you can walk around both sides of it. But, being as mine is a side console, I like the original height because it is real comfortable when driving while sitting.

- ron

Tim Ehlers posted 10-28-2001 08:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tim Ehlers  Send Email to Tim Ehlers     
Ron Thx for forwarding gunnelgrabbers pix. I have been looking at the pix on pp30 and 33 for some time and they have helped with a number of things. Ron, does the throttle lever bump your right knee where it is located? Also, I am envious of your blue gelcoat (cetacea p.33) as mine is very crazed and was repainted with a 2 part polyurethane paint...Tim
whalerron posted 10-28-2001 11:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
I am proud that the original blue shines like it does but it only shines because of lotsa elbow grease. I have always waxed that boat, interior and exterior, every other time out. I use straight carnuba wax and it has absolutely no abrasives in it to wear away the finish. It is alot of work though!

The throttle does not bump my knee or leg unless I have somebody sitting next to me which is rarely the case. I like the throttle location because it maximizes the free space I have on top of the console.

I finished installing the new steering system today and I used an 18 foot cable. I was able to get a nice out-of-the-way loop of cable under the console. It would have taken another foot though to get the cable to go under the "front seat" portion of the console. As it is now, the cable goes from the helm, over to the starboard gunwale, loops around and down the front wall of the console and into the tunnel. It would have taken another foot or 2 to get the cable to go under the front seat like I had originally intended.

I forgot to get the seat measurements you asked for. I will try to remember them tomorrow night when I am working on the boat.

- ron

whalerron posted 10-29-2001 11:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
Tim,

The console is 15 1/2 inches from the forward edge of my seat.

- ron

Tim Ehlers posted 10-31-2001 03:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tim Ehlers  Send Email to Tim Ehlers     
Ron, Thx for the dimension. I will usually have my wife or someone next to me, so the throttle at my right knee won't work. It is a neat location for it though. I hope to get a morse control for the top of the console in the future...Tim
whalerron posted 10-31-2001 11:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
I like to put my wife up in the bow. It's great fun when crossing wakes!

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