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grandmufti posted 11-05-2001 11:29 PM ET (US)   Profile for grandmufti   Send Email to grandmufti  
Any recommendations on a source for decent Outboard service manuals at a fair price.
jimh posted 11-06-2001 01:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
This forum is really intended as a source of information about and a place to discuss Boston Whaler Boats. We do venture into some topics that are allied with the main area of interest, but your inquiry is a bit far afield.

That said, let me respond with these observations:

--Yamaha refuses to sell customers a service manual;

--Yamaha barely seems interested in selling customers parts, and if they do see parts they want you to order them from a dealer in-person and they take a week or more to get and are priced at a premium and non-uniform price;

--Yamaha refuses to sell customers any special tooling needed to work on their engines;

--most Yamaha selling dealers (in my area) are incapable of providing any service;

--the Yamaha selling dealers (in my area) that do provide service provide it either very poorly at the going market rate or provide it at rates about 50% above everyone else's service rate and expect you to schedule service appointments about 6-weeks in advance;

--the only known source of service manuals on Yamaha engines that can be purchased by a non-dealer are the typical aftermarket products produced by Clymer and others and available almost anywhere boating supplies are sold and from all major catalogue sources. Locating one of these is a trivial matter--find your nearest West Marine or order by catalogue.

--jimh

John from Madison CT posted 11-06-2001 07:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     
Grandmufti,

I recently bought the Selco brand of Yamaha Outboard Repair Manual. It's very good. You can see them for sale on Ebay quite regularly and at good prices, otherwise try this hyperlink


If you need more help, let me know.

Thanks,

John

John from Madison CT posted 11-06-2001 07:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for John from Madison CT  Send Email to John from Madison CT     
Grandmufti,


Here is the more specific hyperlink


John

grandmufti posted 11-06-2001 09:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for grandmufti  Send Email to grandmufti     
First thanks to those who have replied with a source for a manual.I have tried to purchase one from various online sources to no avail.Maybe a 2002 is too new to have one printed yet.
As for as the comment on the topic being far afield.I do not understand how a question on the motor that is a part of my boat and supplies the propulsion could be considered far afield.
Maybe if I had the manual I would not have to ask questions on this forum and subject myself to people who would try to make a person feel small for seeking help.
I can assure you I will think twice before I ask again.
Bigshot posted 11-06-2001 02:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
E-bay
jimh posted 11-06-2001 02:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Regarding whether or not this question is appropriate in the context of this forum. Let me examine it thus:

I want to ask a question about how to get a service manual for a engine made in Japan for model year 2002.

Does asking this question in a forum that concentrates its topic focus on boats made in America several decades ago make the most sense?

In loosely coupling things to the boat, it is possible to expand the range of topics to an incredibly large domain. I don't think that this is ultimately what most readers desire, so I tend to discourage such questions.

I do not intend to make people feel small for asking them.

In actual fact, I did answer the question, although I did point out it was far afield so as not to encourage more like it.

Thinking twice before asking a question is really a desireable habit, as interesting answers come often from good questions.

jimh posted 11-06-2001 02:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
A crucial point was omitted here in the question: it's a 2002 model year manual being sought. No doubt this is hard to obtain from aftermarket people as they first have to pry one out of Yamaha to use as a source.

The marine industry is not like the car biz where people publish aftermarket mannuals about ten minutes after the OEM car maker makes the car.

lhg posted 11-06-2001 05:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
As a counterpoint, Mercury freely offers their service manuals for sale. An order form even comes with every new engine.
compounder posted 11-06-2001 06:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for compounder  Send Email to compounder     
jimh, I understand you are the alpha male here, but if the guy has a Yamaha on his Whaler that should be connection enough to make his post topical. In the performance section particularly, questions are asked and answered all the time on all aspects of outboards.

Secondly, I don't think you are correct in your statement that "Yamaha refuses to sell customers a service manual."
I have purchased factory service manuals for my C-40 and C-90 Yamaha engines just by walking up to the parts counter at the dealership and asking for them. The price was a little higher than typical aftermarket manuals, but not prohibitive.

Alioop posted 11-06-2001 07:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Alioop  Send Email to Alioop     
I also purchased service manuals for 1986 Yamaha when it was new and I purchased one for my 1998 I just recently purchased just as easy to get as getting any part I need at the dealer that has sold me both motors Mike
jimh posted 11-06-2001 08:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If the Yamaha folks want their dealers to sell the end users the factory service manual, I wish they would let the Yamaha dealers around here in on the secret.

I wish the Yamaha folks would stop listing all the little mom-and-pop places that sell snow mobiles and jet skis as "Outboard Engine Sales and Service Dealers" on their website. You call these guys up and try to get service or parts and they act like you are trying to steal from them.

Back to this question and its relevance.

The question should have been framed like this:

"I have a brand new 2002 Yamaha [model and horsepower insert here] on my Whaler. I can't get a manual for it via on-line sources like [insert places tried already]. I [have/have not] tried asking the selling dealer."

Now, if in fact the Yamaha dealer is just ready, willing, able, and happy to sell the end user a factory repair/service manual, how come no one as suggested this?

I mean, this seems the MOST OBVIOUS source for this information. If I buy a brand new product, I don't get on the web and find a forum of guys obsessed with some peripheraly connected topic to ask them where to get one if I could just get one by simply asking the selling dealer to sell me one!

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