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JoeH posted 11-16-2001 09:53 PM ET (US)   Profile for JoeH   Send Email to JoeH  
When I drained the lower unit oil for winterizing, I found shavings on both the fill and level plugs. As for an amount, about 1 square inch from each plug on the paper towel I cleaned them with. The oil itself looked ok. The engine is a 1993 150 Johnson on a 1992 19-outrage with 404 hrs., only about 3 of which are mine. Should have checked this when/before I bought. I think I've made an expensive mistake. My question is: what is my next course of action? Is this a dealer only kind of repair? And anyone in S E lower MI know of a good shop? Thanks for any help, Joe
JBCornwell posted 11-16-2001 10:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Whoa, there, Joe! Who said anything about repair?? The production of modest amounts of particles is normal wear.

Are there additional particles in the oil, or have the plugs caught them all?

Is you geartrain misbehaving in any way?

How long has it been since the lower end lube was changed?

Put fresh lube in the gearcase and use it. Check and/or change it again after another 10-20 hours use and compare particle production.

You may be looking at several hundred hours accumulation of particles.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

JoeH posted 11-16-2001 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeH  Send Email to JoeH     
JB, thank you for the calming words. Modest amount is open to interpatation, sure looked like alot, I've never had a boat/motor this big so I have nothing to compare it to. I drug a mechanics magnet through the old lube and it came out clean. I only put 3 hrs on it and 1 of those was with the dealer but the gear train seems quiet and mechanicly sound. I don't know the maint. history on it but all indications are it was well cared for. I thought about running it then changing/checking it but don't want to tear any thing else up or be out for the summer if it does show bad. Joe
Clark Roberts posted 11-17-2001 08:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Joe, JB gives good advice! with the new fill of lube, crank and idle engine at dock with cowling off. Then put a stethascope (sp?) against engine block (a long screwdriver will work) and listen for strange noises(clicks and clacks). Next, put in forward and listen... then reverse and listen. If you hear anything that sounds strange and that changes with a gear shift then it's a lower unit noise and you should shut down and have lower unit dissabled and checked out! Now, I'm talking about strange clicks and knocks etc... you'll know it if you hear it! Good luck.. Clark.. Spruce Creek Navy
dfmcintyre posted 11-17-2001 04:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Joe -

I agree with the others. See if today and tomorrow you can put some hours on it, before the cold sets in on Monday (I'm up in Port Huron).

Is there any why you can contact the previous owner and determine how long ago (hour wise would be the best or at least how many _seasons_ it was run) the lower unit lube was changed? The answer to that question is the $50,000 answer.

If it's only been 5 to 10 hours prior to your purchase, I'd lean toward tearing it down. It might be the other way around, and has _never_ been changed.

If you want, I can give you the name of my mechanic up here.

Don

JoeH posted 11-17-2001 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeH  Send Email to JoeH     
Don- I don't think I'll be back out this season. I'm all winterized and tucked in the garage with all of 2" to spare, plus family commitments etc. I will try to make some calls for some background monday but I'm SURE it was ALWAYS maintained, only used by a little old fisherman to go to church.... still your right, can't hurt. Still, if I could get your mechanics number I'd appreciate it, again, can't hurt. You're 100+ miles out but I went 150+ to buy the outrage. Thanks again, Joe
Bigshot posted 11-19-2001 11:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Don't worry about it! Change it and check it next June after you ran it a couple months. She'll be fine. Shavings are normal, chunks are bad.
JoeH posted 11-19-2001 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeH  Send Email to JoeH     
I talked to the mechanic that had maintained it since new. Said he found a few shavings this spring but as the guy was going to sell decided not to mess with it. Don't think I'll fool with it either-fly it and watch it. Thanks for the help, you guys saved me a lot of money! Joe
JoeH posted 11-19-2001 04:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for JoeH  Send Email to JoeH     
I talked to the mechanic that had maintained it since new. Said he found a few shavings this spring but as the guy was going to sell decided not to mess with it. Don't think I'll fool with it either-fly it and watch it. Thanks for the help, you guys saved me a lot of money! Joe
JoeH posted 07-05-2002 12:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for JoeH  Send Email to JoeH     
Well, I finally got a chance to run my Outrage today, how did it get to be July already? I never did do anything with it mechanicaly. Everything went smooth, even lunch and recovey. Motor shifts just fine. Put two hours skiing and just screwing around on it. I can't thank you all enough, especially JimH for all the help and things I've learned here. Another happy ending! Joe

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