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JWB posted 12-06-2001 09:27 PM ET (US)   Profile for JWB   Send Email to JWB  
I am stripping the bottom paint on a 1965 13-foot. What should I use to get it off? Zip Strip? Disc sand it?
[Converted posted from ALL CAPS--jimh]
Russ posted 12-06-2001 09:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Russ  Send Email to Russ     
I'm in the process of removing the bottom paint from my 22 Revenge using some remover called "Peel Away". I doesn't damage the gelcoat, and it works, but slowly.
grandmufti posted 12-06-2001 10:30 PM ET (US)     Profile for grandmufti  Send Email to grandmufti     
I used oven cleaner and it worked quite well.Dont get it on the trailer.
Tsuriki BW posted 12-06-2001 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     

Are you ANGRY or is it just you have a CAPS LOCK key stuck???


[Comment made before I edited the post to remove the ALL-CAPS--jimh.]

jimh posted 12-06-2001 11:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Wet sanding works. No matter what else you use you will get to this point.


JWB posted 12-07-2001 03:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for JWB  Send Email to JWB     
Thanks for all the advice. I'm using zip strip to remove the paint and its seems to be the fastest way.Except for Tisuriki Bw. All I asked for was a boat part not an english lesson one ways to type so i can fit in with you and your little computer nerds.
Bigshot posted 12-07-2001 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Damn Tsuriki you sure have a way of flattering the newcomers:)
Tsuriki BW posted 12-07-2001 04:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     
Hey, I just asked a question....

Guess some guys are just a little testy..Sorry


PS Note jimh's reply to JWB in his request for lights for a 13.

lhg posted 12-07-2001 05:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
But the newcomers need to have a few good manners also. "Get a life" doesn't cut it either.
jimh posted 12-08-2001 01:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Regarding use of ALL CAPS:

I find it really annoying. It drastically reduces the readibility of the text. Studies have show conclusively that text in upper/lower case is much easier to read. My own eyes tell me this all the time.

I find postings without punctuation very hard to read. James Joyce might have written 800 pages of ULLYSES without punctuation, but messages on this FORUM are not works of literature--although a few come close--and should be written with standard punctuation.

Neither of these points has anything to do with computers or computer nerds. In fact it is precisely because most of the people reading and writing on this FORUM are not computer nerds that we have all implicitly agreed that use of ALL CAPS and no punctuation is abhorent.

Historically, there are only three places that I know of where ALL CAPS was in common use.

When telegraphy was the fastest form of communication, commercial telegraph operators received messages by typing them on a special typewriter called a "mill." A mill had no shift key, it only typed CAPITALS. This was done to help the operator type rapidly, as the transmission speed on commercial telegraph circuits was often 60-words-per-minute. Operators used many abbreviations and code-signals in the transmissions, but had to spell out the whole word in the typed message. This procedure made the typing speed even faster than the transmission speed.

Also, if the two operators on either end of the circuit were in agreement (and could match skills) they would often crank the transmission speed up a notch so they could get the traffic sent in less time, giving themselves a few extra minutes of coffee break. I used to work at a horse race track with an old timer who, as a youth, was a Western Union telegrapher; he told me many stories of his days on the circuits and of "mills."

Not surprisingly, when the teletypewriter replaced the telegrapher, the keyboard and layout of the teletype machine were also ALL CAPS. This was because of the limitation of the BAUDOT code used to transmit the information. There were not enough codings available to represent all the different upper and lowercase letters. In fact there were so few codings available in the BAUDOT code that a special character, a "shift", was used to transition from the letters characters to the figures characters. You sent the shift character ("Figures") then typed the figures, sent the un-shift character ("Letters") and went back to letters. If the machine missed the shift character it would start writing garbled figures instead of letters.

The only other place where ALL CAPS seems to have been in common use was in the days of the IBM Selectric typewriter and in preparation of material for speeches. There was a special type ball with a font called ORATOR which gave large letters, making the document easier to read at a distance, as would occur when reading from a lecturn and making a presentation. The ORATOR font used all upper case letters. I never thought that it was easier to read, but my eyes may have been sharper back then.

So other than people who were once commerical telegraphers, commercial teletype operators, or typists who specialized in preparation of material for speeches, I doubt that there is anyone with a compelling reason to type in ALL CAPS.

I did have some communication with a fellow who said his eyesight was poor and thus he favored ALL CAPS. I encouraged him to use the facilities of his browser to display the text in any size he needed. This is the beauty of HTML: the rasterization of the text is done by the browser. The generation of the text is really independent of the display device being used. You can make it as large as you need. I do know that the default font on many Windows systems, coupled with awful cheapo monitors, poor dot-pitch, and an inconsistent display model for pixel size can cause the text to be unusually small in many cases. I can't read tiny text well, either.

Now as for manners, I tend to use simple, Pavlovian techniques. If someone snarls at me while I am answering their question, I tend to withold the answer the next time.

I tried this technique on my dog. She and I got into a kind of rut about her feeding. I would tell her to get into a down stay while I was getting her food ready. She didn't like this--she wanted to be closer to the food while I was getting it out--so she would let me know she didn't like it by giving me a little low growl as she grudgingly got into a down stay. Everytime she complained by growling I would just stop getting her food and leave her by herself. After a couple of hungry days she learned not to growl at me while I was getting her food.

Now dogs are in a perpetual quest for food, it is really programmed into their DNA. That is what they think the primary directive is: look for the next meal. So I can understand why my field-bred hunting dog gets upset when she is kept at a distance from her food.

Search for knowledge about boats is also, I believe, programmed into the DNA of certain adult males, so I do tend to make similar allowances if they happen to growl a bit now and then, too.

Best regards,


jimh posted 12-08-2001 08:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I hope I have not given you the wrong impression of my dog. By the way, she has her own website. If you'd like to see this little spaniel, here she is:


Tsuriki BW posted 12-08-2001 12:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tsuriki BW  Send Email to Tsuriki BW     

Nice looking dog and site.

I have a 1 year old Cavalier King Charles Spaniel. I think she is going to like going on the Dauntless. Maybe you could put up a Cetacea "Canine Crew" page...

We play a game where she comes to me when she has food in her bowl. I flip her over and scratch her stomach and she growls like crazy. I stop and say "go". She flips over, runs to her bowl, eats a few pieces, and comes back to do it all over again!


Ventura16 posted 12-08-2001 02:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ventura16  Send Email to Ventura16     
I vote for the "Canine Crew" section...

My Golden Retriever, Cassie, loves riding in the Whaler. She goes crazy when I just take the boat keys off the hook. If I ever go out without her (which happens very rarely), first she barks her head off and then she sulks for the rest of the day.

She has staked out the bow cushion as her territory. Sometimes it's kind of funny when I hit the throttle and the bow rises...she digs her claws in and hangs on for dear life! But she really loves a boat ride...the faster the better...ears flying in the wind...

Now, if I could just teach her to bait a hook. ;-)


Blackeagle posted 12-08-2001 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for Blackeagle  Send Email to Blackeagle     
Maybe Jim could do a Cetacea page dedicated to canine whalers. He's already got at least one pic (the 2nd picture on page 32).

daverdla posted 12-09-2001 08:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for daverdla  Send Email to daverdla     
All caps is still the norm for building plans, and other engineering documents as well. I guess this was done originally to help insure that the text was legible. Another reason is that many institutions and government agencies have a minimum text height requirement, typically 1/8". Some upper case letters at 1/8" would be 1/16" lower case. I understand that the minimum height requirement is to insure legibility at 1/2 size reproduction.

Specifications, the project information represented in book form, is printed normally.

I have seen, since the use of CAD, more people using upper and lower case text, usually limited to the title blocks.


David Ratusnik posted 12-10-2001 09:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
How about a Cetecea photo log section for dogs on Whalers?? Seems to have broad appeal. By the way, my dogs don't have their own website- but they talk, yes they do. And, the male is bilingual. My dogs are just higher evolved I guess. I try pairing the conditioned stimulus with the unconditioned stimulus and they look at me like I'm nuts. The one said- "forget it, I'm not buying that old Pavlovian stuff anymore." Bottomline line- a CETECEA DOG ON WHALER photo log might be popular with the membership as well as the dogs. My .03 David

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