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csj posted 12-11-2001 09:47 PM ET (US)   Profile for csj   Send Email to csj  
I just bought a 1989 22-Revenge with a 89 200 Yahmaha, and wondering what I should have expected to pay for it. Your input would be appreciated. I started with a 15 striper, then a 17 and progressed to a revenge. The boat is in great shape minus a few biffs in the rub rail to be repaired at a later date. I'm interested in replacing the teak hatch door below the steering wheel, any suggestions where to get one ? anyways I'd
like to hear from the experts out there.

One more thing, I have young children and am wondering the best idea on a swim platform or stern ladder ?

jimh posted 12-11-2001 10:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Moved this post from a Cetacea Comments thread to here--jimh.]
jimh posted 12-11-2001 10:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
One shortcoming of the older boats is there is not a designed-in spot for mounting a boarding ladder.

The lowest freeboard is at the transom, but climbing over the motor well is not the best way to enter the boat.

The engines and the props can hurt a swimmer; a swimmer can damage the sonar transducers and paddlewheels.

Better to board over the sides in the rear of the cockpit. A swim ladder is needed.


The ideal ladder has three sections, A-B-C.

Section-A secures the ladder to the gunwale. A rod holder could be used for an anchor point. Or the device wraps over the gunwale and is secured somehow to the boat.

Section-B hinges to Section-A. It is a wooden ladder with nice treads. It extends to the waterline, resting against the hull with some padded material to protect the gelcoat.

Section-C hinges to Section-B and is also a ladder, maybe wood but there might be problems with floating. It has nice treads and goes deep enough into the water to permit a tired swimmer to climb up easily. The hinge is arranged on the outboard side so that Section C butts against Section-B and cannot swing under the boat.

Sections C and A fold back onto Section B for storage.

As for how much a boat is worth or what it should have sold for, it is hard to say. The market has changed drastically in a year. It is also seasonal. Ask yourself if you would be willing to sell the boat tomorrow for the same price you paid. If you would not, then you probably got a steal. If you would sell gladly, then maybe you paid too much!

A year from now look back on all the fun you have had with the boat. What was that worth? You can sit on the river bank and watch the boats go by, but if you want to go boating you have to get a boat and go. Worry about the "great deal" latter.

Teak is pretty indestructible. See if some sanding and oiling can restore your door. I was amazed what it could do to mine. The door might still be available from Whaler. Check with a dealer.


SWarren posted 12-12-2001 08:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for SWarren  Send Email to SWarren     
I have a boarding latter on the back of my transom. You can see the clip in the picture of the back of the boat. It is a 4 step I think. You clip it on and off when you want to use it. It is mounted under my gunnel when not being used. It works great to get in. I grab the rail from my stern seat not shown in the picture and get in.


David Ratusnik posted 12-12-2001 08:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
csj- Congrats on the new classic. Hey, I have kids that come and go in/out of the water on a 22'OR. My thoughts on getting them out-never, never enter thru the back low cut transom. My kids come up over the gunwale (port or starboard) using the simple 4 step aluminum/plastic ladder that hangs over the gunwale. I put down a towel under the ladder as it goes across the teak to protect the wood. If we are in open water swimming I do not although the kids to swim near the stern of the boat- the blade is that dangerous. By the way, the inexpensive ($30-40) commercially available ladder has little feet that interface the hull about the water line, plus they are light letting you move quickly from port to starboard if needed. Since they are light they must be tied down well. I lost one in the Atlantic 6 months ago. I keep mine in the engine splash well and failed to tie it down in 5-7 ft sea. Never new it was gone until back in port. One way of handling the boarding issue. David
David Ratusnik posted 12-12-2001 10:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
Allow not although!! I get to typing and become what's called "paraphasic" in linguistic jargon. D
Peter posted 12-12-2001 01:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Regarding boarding ladders, like David, I just use the typical 4 step aluminum ladder. It works just fine, is light,can be stowed along the gunnel and can be used on either side. Costs about 40 bucks.
Arriba posted 12-12-2001 01:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Arriba  Send Email to Arriba     
I have found that my 4 step alum ladder hooked over the side is the best. The transom is too dangerous for a swimmer and it sure would be easy to damage any over the transom instruments. I have a 20 ft Revenge.
David Ratusnik posted 12-12-2001 03:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
csj- If the motor runs well it's worth 2K. See rear section of various BoatTrader mags. The rest of value is based upon hull condition. Older electronics are not worth much. We need more info, like on a 1-10 what is this Revenge? 10 is mint and mint does not exist. David
csj posted 12-12-2001 10:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for csj  Send Email to csj     
David R. and friends thanks for your input on the ladder problem. I'll stop in west marine asap. Ref my 1989 revenge the boat hull is in great shape minus new bottom paint. The interior i.e. the deck is excellent. I'm replacing, as we speak the rod holders and bilge cover with starboard.
the cabin is beautiful ref the wood, cushions etc. Comes with a mills bimini enclosure in fair shape. The 200hp yahmaha checked out great, compression was perfect. Needs some repair to the rub rail. I may replace the entire rubrail ? Yamaha guages are perfect. Comes with vhf and loran, but I have no idea how to use it. Looks real old (furuno LC-90 MARK ll) I may use it as a anchor !!. We use hand held gps mounted on the dash. Whaler came with a 1991 Triad trailer, and it is a sight for sore eyes, but operational for short hauls. As well my twin bought a 1986 22' revenge last yr. with a 1986 225 Johnson. Ref your scale in these parts they maybe 8.5s as for your parts I'm not sure. I've seen some beautiful boats from you'll. Oh, we reside in Maryland. I bought the boat a few months ago for 9,750.00. Would appreciate your opinions, and don't hold back !!!!!!!!!!
David Ratusnik posted 12-12-2001 10:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
csj- I'll take a shot at it. I have friends who buy/sell several classics per year plus I looked over about 15 boats (18-25') two years ago before buying mine. I have a little feeling for ask/sell $$'s at least in FLA. 22' OR's in FLA (80's) sell for 14-17K in a short period of time -- this is very clean with a viable engine, it runs strong but an older item. Rough stuff gets beat down in price or languishes. Interestingly, Yamaha engines I am told draw buyers interest in the boat. Since you state you bought the boat for less than 10K, I would say you made a decent purchase. You have a few grand to give in perfecting the bought toward a "mint" condition. I'd have the Yamaha serviced top/bottom in order to preserve your apparent good investment. Congrats and happy Whalering. David

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