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Dave Adams posted 02-17-2002 07:14 PM ET (US)   Profile for Dave Adams  
Have an '89 16'SS. Bought last year. Pulled all the wood off, stripped it to bare wood with intention to paint it white-thought it would be a more updated look. But, I sealed the bare wood with interlux sealer and it looks so good I may not paint it or varnish, etc. I seek opinion, based on experience, on: a- Has anyone ever painted the wood and how did it look, last etc and b-- CAn I just leave the sealer (clear) on it w/o any further treatment--it really looks good and "woody". Responses much appreciated.

dgp posted 02-17-2002 07:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
Painting it is a mortal sin!
JBCornwell posted 02-17-2002 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
HERESY!!

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

Tom W Clark posted 02-17-2002 09:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Paint? What the hell is the matter with you? That's like putting vinyl siding on a landmark historical home!

You've already got the sealer on there so go ahead and throw a few coats of varnish on as well and then watch everybody's head swivel at the launch ramp.

browning20ga posted 02-17-2002 11:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for browning20ga  Send Email to browning20ga     
"CLASSIC" isn't a year!!!! To me it's THE look!!! Please don't KILL your "Classic"!!! Please go have a beer and reconsider what you said. I could have bought a new whaler for what I have invested in my 1974 13' w/ new Honda BUT all that fiberglass looks like any other boat out there. All of that beautiful mohogany makes my boat special!!!
Please don't do it, if you want a all white boat, go out and buy one and sell your boat to someone who will love and respect a "CLASSIC"
andygere posted 02-18-2002 01:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Varnish....please!
Duncan posted 02-18-2002 08:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Duncan  Send Email to Duncan     
Wether or not you buy the "classic" varnished,"my britework is brighter than Thurston Howell's" crap, It is incredibly silly to strip, sand and seal then PAINT!!!

That Mahog ain't paint grade. Finish the varnish job with three or more top-coats of UV resistant spar varnish (don't forget end-grain). Then if you want white, low maintainence, replace with starboard or painted cheap(er) lumber and put the original seats in storage. Then when you go to sell your wood be shiney!

Dave Adams posted 02-18-2002 10:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Adams    
Yeah, I give in-- Its sort of like those moral dilemnas on the "Dr. Laura Show"--you know what the right thing is, but you need someone else to tell you.

But, do I really need the varnish or is the sealer enough?

And, I took all the wood off-except for the console- and I think it will be impossible to get all of that wood back in all of the right places.

Maybe I will paint some of the under peices--has anyone ever done this and how does it last compared to varnish?

Samars posted 02-18-2002 10:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for Samars  Send Email to Samars     
Say it ain't so....painting would not only be wrong, but probably not look as you might think....
Dick posted 02-18-2002 11:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Mahogany will reject paint it was grown for varnish.
bigz posted 02-18-2002 12:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Dave Adams now that your convinced to forget the paint here are a few suggestions.

If you don't want to sand in between "varnish" coats but achieve, almost unnoticeable, the same results then consider using Epifanes Wood Finish in Gloss (note this is their Wood Finish not their varnish).

But to really do it fast and still look pretty good use Sikkens Cetol. This is compatible with your Interlux wood sealer and will enhance its protection giving you more of a finished look. Easy application and re-application when necessary. (if you want to keep the wood in a lighter shade use their Teakcoat light, some find the regular darkens to the wood to much for their taste).

Hard part is done now you can have fun with the final finish --- Z

OutrageMan posted 02-18-2002 12:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for OutrageMan  Send Email to OutrageMan     
If you want fast build up with little or no sanding try Interlux Interthane Plus 2 part poly. No sanding between as many as 3-4 coats as long as the stuff hasn't kicked completely. Plus, it will last twice as long as traditional varnish. The downside is that if you don't keep it up, it can only be removed mechanically.

Brian

browning20ga posted 02-18-2002 06:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for browning20ga  Send Email to browning20ga     
AH, Your a good man. You can do it, just take your time. The more effort you put in the better it will look and the prouder you will be of your boat. I used West Marine Spar Varnish and found it easy to use and gave me good results, it has UV protection. Any of the products mentioned in the previous threads will probably give you great results. UV protection is a must so cover the sealer with a product with UV protection or you will be doing it every year if your boat gets a lot of exposure
Dave Adams posted 02-18-2002 08:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dave Adams    
As I said above, I've learned the error of my attempted ways. the advice on the varnish etc is much appreciated and I will let u know how it ends up.


But, if anyone has painted, I'd be curious--just curious-to know how it came out.

-A reformed painter-

Duncan posted 02-18-2002 11:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Duncan  Send Email to Duncan     
You mentioned painting the undersides...from my experience in the millwork business, it is a no-no to finish a board differently on either side, especially on wide boards like the thwart seats in Whalers.

Given that no finish is 100% impervious to moisture absorbtion, with a different finish (or different number of coats of the same finish)on either side moisture will get at on side more than the other and the wood could warp (cup).

From my experience and wisdom gathered over my thirty-three years of being a lazy slob....who wants to clean two different brushes with two different solvents???

By the way mahogany takes paint very well. I don't know if the sealer you've already used is paint compatable. My "AIN'T PAINT GRADE" comment meant it's too expensive to cover the pretty grain!

lhg posted 02-19-2002 12:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Here's a real shocker for you guys, myself included. Quoting from the Owners Manual that came with my 1971 16' Nauset:

Page 15, Finish preservation:

"...if the wood is periodically varnished the boat will maintain a very acceptable appearance. If the varnish has deteriorated to the point where refinishing is not suitable, then painting the wood light gray, light blue or white is a very agreeable substitute."

Yikes. This must have been written before anyone at Whaler imagined the varnished console boats would achieve cult status.

I have actually seen a few Nausets where the owner has taken them at their suggestion. I think it doesn't look very good.

JFM posted 02-19-2002 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
Larry, that's when you could buy it for $.25 a board foot. Back then we used to burn our scraps. I still have quite a bit stored. When it gets to $25.00 a board foot I might sell. Regards, Jay
Dr T posted 02-19-2002 12:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dr T  Send Email to Dr T     
Unfortunately, the wood on my 13 had deteriorated to the point that I felt that trying to refinish would be futile :-(. I painted it a year ago. We shall see how it will age.

It is highly serviceable, but not as pretty as a nicely varnished boat.

Since I have all of the original parts to use as patterns, I can always rebuild.

tds

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