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Painting the Mahogany--heresy or updated look?
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posted 02-17-2002 07:14 PM ET (US)
Have an '89 16'SS. Bought last year. Pulled all the wood off, stripped it to bare wood with intention to paint it white-thought it would be a more updated look. But, I sealed the bare wood with interlux sealer and it looks so good I may not paint it or varnish, etc. I seek opinion, based on experience, on: a- Has anyone ever painted the wood and how did it look, last etc and b-- CAn I just leave the sealer (clear) on it w/o any further treatment--it really looks good and "woody". Responses much appreciated.
posted 02-17-2002 07:22 PM ET (US)
Painting it is a mortal sin!
posted 02-17-2002 08:41 PM ET (US)
Red sky at night. . .
|Tom W Clark||
posted 02-17-2002 09:37 PM ET (US)
Paint? What the hell is the matter with you? That's like putting vinyl siding on a landmark historical home!
You've already got the sealer on there so go ahead and throw a few coats of varnish on as well and then watch everybody's head swivel at the launch ramp.
posted 02-17-2002 11:12 PM ET (US)
"CLASSIC" isn't a year!!!! To me it's THE look!!! Please don't KILL your "Classic"!!! Please go have a beer and reconsider what you said. I could have bought a new whaler for what I have invested in my 1974 13' w/ new Honda BUT all that fiberglass looks like any other boat out there. All of that beautiful mohogany makes my boat special!!!
Please don't do it, if you want a all white boat, go out and buy one and sell your boat to someone who will love and respect a "CLASSIC"
posted 02-18-2002 01:24 AM ET (US)
posted 02-18-2002 08:34 AM ET (US)
Wether or not you buy the "classic" varnished,"my britework is brighter than Thurston Howell's" crap, It is incredibly silly to strip, sand and seal then PAINT!!!
That Mahog ain't paint grade. Finish the varnish job with three or more top-coats of UV resistant spar varnish (don't forget end-grain). Then if you want white, low maintainence, replace with starboard or painted cheap(er) lumber and put the original seats in storage. Then when you go to sell your wood be shiney!
posted 02-18-2002 10:24 AM ET (US)
Yeah, I give in-- Its sort of like those moral dilemnas on the "Dr. Laura Show"--you know what the right thing is, but you need someone else to tell you.
But, do I really need the varnish or is the sealer enough?
And, I took all the wood off-except for the console- and I think it will be impossible to get all of that wood back in all of the right places.
Maybe I will paint some of the under peices--has anyone ever done this and how does it last compared to varnish?
posted 02-18-2002 10:25 AM ET (US)
Say it ain't so....painting would not only be wrong, but probably not look as you might think....
posted 02-18-2002 11:33 AM ET (US)
Mahogany will reject paint it was grown for varnish.
posted 02-18-2002 12:08 PM ET (US)
Dave Adams now that your convinced to forget the paint here are a few suggestions.
If you don't want to sand in between "varnish" coats but achieve, almost unnoticeable, the same results then consider using Epifanes Wood Finish in Gloss (note this is their Wood Finish not their varnish).
But to really do it fast and still look pretty good use Sikkens Cetol. This is compatible with your Interlux wood sealer and will enhance its protection giving you more of a finished look. Easy application and re-application when necessary. (if you want to keep the wood in a lighter shade use their Teakcoat light, some find the regular darkens to the wood to much for their taste).
Hard part is done now you can have fun with the final finish --- Z
posted 02-18-2002 12:40 PM ET (US)
If you want fast build up with little or no sanding try Interlux Interthane Plus 2 part poly. No sanding between as many as 3-4 coats as long as the stuff hasn't kicked completely. Plus, it will last twice as long as traditional varnish. The downside is that if you don't keep it up, it can only be removed mechanically.
posted 02-18-2002 06:42 PM ET (US)
AH, Your a good man. You can do it, just take your time. The more effort you put in the better it will look and the prouder you will be of your boat. I used West Marine Spar Varnish and found it easy to use and gave me good results, it has UV protection. Any of the products mentioned in the previous threads will probably give you great results. UV protection is a must so cover the sealer with a product with UV protection or you will be doing it every year if your boat gets a lot of exposure
posted 02-18-2002 08:29 PM ET (US)
As I said above, I've learned the error of my attempted ways. the advice on the varnish etc is much appreciated and I will let u know how it ends up.
-A reformed painter-
posted 02-18-2002 11:33 PM ET (US)
You mentioned painting the undersides...from my experience in the millwork business, it is a no-no to finish a board differently on either side, especially on wide boards like the thwart seats in Whalers.
Given that no finish is 100% impervious to moisture absorbtion, with a different finish (or different number of coats of the same finish)on either side moisture will get at on side more than the other and the wood could warp (cup).
From my experience and wisdom gathered over my thirty-three years of being a lazy slob....who wants to clean two different brushes with two different solvents???
By the way mahogany takes paint very well. I don't know if the sealer you've already used is paint compatable. My "AIN'T PAINT GRADE" comment meant it's too expensive to cover the pretty grain!
posted 02-19-2002 12:21 AM ET (US)
Here's a real shocker for you guys, myself included. Quoting from the Owners Manual that came with my 1971 16' Nauset:
Page 15, Finish preservation:
"...if the wood is periodically varnished the boat will maintain a very acceptable appearance. If the varnish has deteriorated to the point where refinishing is not suitable, then painting the wood light gray, light blue or white is a very agreeable substitute."
Yikes. This must have been written before anyone at Whaler imagined the varnished console boats would achieve cult status.
I have actually seen a few Nausets where the owner has taken them at their suggestion. I think it doesn't look very good.
posted 02-19-2002 09:52 AM ET (US)
Larry, that's when you could buy it for $.25 a board foot. Back then we used to burn our scraps. I still have quite a bit stored. When it gets to $25.00 a board foot I might sell. Regards, Jay
posted 02-19-2002 12:38 PM ET (US)
Unfortunately, the wood on my 13 had deteriorated to the point that I felt that trying to refinish would be futile :-(. I painted it a year ago. We shall see how it will age.
It is highly serviceable, but not as pretty as a nicely varnished boat.
Since I have all of the original parts to use as patterns, I can always rebuild.
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