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rubadub555 posted 04-02-2002 11:53 AM ET (US)   Profile for rubadub555   Send Email to rubadub555  
In heavy seas, or large wake crossings, my twenty-year-old-but-fairly-new-to-me Montauk console pivots fore and aft, very slightly, probably less than 1 inch.
Should I worry?
Can I adjust, and if so, how?
Can anyone direct me to a past thread or reference so I can assess the diagnosis and treatment of this condition?
thanks in advance all.
Scott
Landlocked posted 04-02-2002 01:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Landlocked  Send Email to Landlocked     
Rub

I would imagine that the screws have loosened that go through the bottom of the console. I have a few on mine that are loose and won't tighten (stripped out) likely a result of water intrusion/rot in the screw holes. I don't think its necessarilly a big deal to fix. May have to fill and redrill or perhaps change screw locations to fresh wood. Old holes will have to be filled though to prevent further rot.

It is a big deal from a safety standpoint. If you tend to hold on to the wheel during take off and in rough water like I do, you could rip the console loose and lose control.

I'd fix the problem before it gets worse.

Ll.

compounder posted 04-02-2002 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for compounder  Send Email to compounder     
Landlocked is right, Scott. You need to go ahead and fix it right.

I had my console pretty much turn over on me while standing behind the wheel and under full throttle acceleration. Didn't lose control, but very well could have.

When you take a look at how it is mounted, you can figure out how you want to fix it. I just removed the wooden chocks the console was mounted to and replaced them with heavy duty aluminum angle pieces. These are screwed to the deck and the console attached to them with bolts and fender washers on each side. Not quite a "factory" look, but close enough and plenty sturdy. Plus, now I don't have to worry about the wood deteriorating and the problem recurring.

JBCornwell posted 04-02-2002 10:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Howdy, Rubadub.

Your console is screwed from the sides into mahogany blocks that are in turn screwed to the deck.

As in Compounder's case, the mahogany has rotted and must be replaced for safety. I replaced mine with 1x3 (approx) teak as in the original. Solid since then.

If I were to do it again I would try to get two pieces of Whaleboard and secure the console to them with 1/4-20 SS machine screws.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

whalerron posted 04-02-2002 11:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalerron  Send Email to whalerron     
Definitely fix the console ASAP! My brother-in-law had a loose console on his boat and one day when he accelerated hard, both him and the console wound up in the stern of the boat. That is a bad thing.

Hey JB, how tight can you screw those machine screws into Whalerboard? Does it hold a machine screw as well as aluminum?

JBCornwell posted 04-03-2002 08:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for JBCornwell  Send Email to JBCornwell     
Hey, WhalerRon.

You know, I don't know! I haven't stripped one and I tighten them by feel as though I were seating them in aluminum.

I have always had at least 1/2" of thread to screw into, which should allow a lot more torque than 1/8 to 1/4" of Al.

Red sky at night. . .
JB :)

simonmeridew posted 04-03-2002 07:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for simonmeridew  Send Email to simonmeridew     
Something of a warning:
My console must have been loose when a previous owner had it; the front of the console hogged out some of the fiberglass on each side of the front corners--probably 1/2 inch by 3 inches--a potential for big time water intrusion. I was in a big hurry when I first bought the boat, so I just caulked the holes till I could get to it. This summer for sure. Meanwhile the console is tight to the floor.
simonmeridew
rubadub555 posted 05-21-2002 09:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for rubadub555  Send Email to rubadub555     
Thanks to your collective advice, I unscrewed the teak blocks beside the 1980 Montauk console and rocked the console forward to find that the mahogany blocks screwed to the deck were rotten. A screwdriver probe pierced the wood easily. I assumed this was water damage, but as I unscrewed the blocks to fabricate replacements, three large ants emerged. I quickly removed both blocks and found similar damage in one of the cooler blocks too. I cut replacement console blocks from SEA-Teak, pre-drilled them, and screwed them to the deck thru the old holes with 5200 on the threads, and the console is now rock solid. Having seen the Ants Marching thread which appeared recently, my new quandary is whether I should assume the ants have gotten into the foam. My 1980 Montauk is stored on a trailer in a field, and had 6-8 inches of water standing for a week after a tropical storm last year came while the plug was left in. The optimist in me thinks that replacement of the cooler blocks and console blocks should displace the ants, but I'm worried by the recent Ants Marching thread that suggests these insects may get into the foam and/or internal wood. Would a bomb penetrate the deck and kill ants inside the foam? Could I /should I inject ant poison into my hull? A nasty thought. There's no sign of delamination, no spongy spots, no other visible signs of ants except the handful I squashed while removing the console blocks.
Any entomologists out there?
Thanks in advance for all suggestions.
DJS posted 05-22-2002 09:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for DJS  Send Email to DJS     
Rub

In your last post you said "I cut replacement console blocks from SEA-Teak". Did you also use SEA-Teak to replace the cooler blocks? What is SEA-Teak? Would appreciate information where SEA-Teak may be purchased and any contact information for the manufacturer.

Thanks, David

rubadub555 posted 05-22-2002 02:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for rubadub555  Send Email to rubadub555     
David;
Commercial Plastics @ 904 354 2000 here in Jacksonville, Florida sold me a partial sheet of C-Teak (Sea-Teak?), a dense synthetic that can be worked like wood, especially made for marine applications. It does NOT look like Teak, but rather like extremely dense plastic, but it can be shaped etc.. they have a brochure, and sell in large sheets mostly, unless you get lucky and work them for some scrap, as I did.
I did not fabricate the cooler chocks, but ordered some. Haven't rec'd them yet.
jstachowiak posted 05-22-2002 07:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for jstachowiak  Send Email to jstachowiak     
I remounted my console, '79 Newport' to aluminum L pieces I bought from Lowe's. It is solid as a rock now. 1/8" thick, by 2" x 2". I also put that 1/4" white channel trim on the bottom of the console, that meets the floor, to finish it off nicely.

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