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tobes posted 04-11-2002 02:37 PM ET (US)   Profile for tobes   Send Email to tobes  
I'm in the process of restoring my 84 22' OR/Guardian. This is a complete rehab with the addition of a Gil bracket and I plan on converting it to a full transom with storage bins that have teak covers. Much like lhg's "Whale Lure"

I've talked to Chuck Bennett and the people at CPD about the conversion this is not an issue. The problem I'm having is I can't find a source for "drop in bins". I've contacted SSI and they carry the bins I need, but they are only for OEM at batches of fifty or more. I have not been able to find any bins or even something that I can rig up to take thier place. I 've tried Hamilton Marine, West Marine, Boat US and looked online for Bomar without any luck.

Anybody who has any feedback, ideas or needs 48 extra bins. Please let me know

thanks ,

BOB KEMMLER JR posted 04-11-2002 02:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for BOB KEMMLER JR    
Ive seen them in bass pro shops catalog
Bigshot posted 04-11-2002 03:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Borrow one or get a cracked one and pull a mold. easy to do and you can make 2 and not have 48 left over:)
hauptjm posted 04-11-2002 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for hauptjm    
Consider making one of them a live well. My 18OR has the well under the port side hatch.
Chap posted 04-11-2002 03:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
I have seen some wooden garveys with drop in boxes. The boxes were retro fitted glassed and gelcoated dock boxes with the lids and hardware removed, like the ones you see in the shops. Lots of various sizes out there, some with good lips on them. The holes of course would have to accomodate the box you chose, not vice versa.
Good luck. I'll keep my eyes open.
lhg posted 04-11-2002 07:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tobes - on both the 22 & 25 full transom models, only the center hatch has a drop-in fiberglass gelcoated well. The corner teak hatches are for access to the batteries and oil tanks, one of each on each side. There is a good photo of mine in the bracket Reference section.

What are you using for transom deck? Are the recreational versions still available from Whaler? I had been told the original molds had been discarded, incredibly! I would imagine a CPD stern deck can still be had.

Are you sure you want to use a "Gil bracket"?
Those old pipe brackets are not used much anymore, and have corrosion problems. I would recommend an all welded aluminum bracket, such as an Armstrong or B-Bracket. Use 26" setback for twin 200's or less. If you're using taller 225's, you'll need 30" of setback.

dfmcintyre posted 04-11-2002 09:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
Larry -

Interesting. On my 25 Revenge I/O, the center didn't have a drop in bin, as it would have hit the engine. However, one of the bins, (the starboard, if I recall right) had a non-removable bin, that was plumbed for a drain. We ended up cutting it out, when we added a dual battery system.


tobes posted 04-11-2002 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for tobes  Send Email to tobes     
Thanks for the quick replys, suggestions and advice.

Bob, I checked out bass pro shop, not realy what I was thinking of but thanks.

BS, Hauptjm and Chap thanks also for your input, this is a work in progress.

Larry, I was planning on taking two sheets 1/2" marine ply, about 2' wide and epoxy them together with a heavy coat of glass and epoxy covering it inside and out. Then with a 5/4 x 6" teak plank on edge running gunnel to gunnel on the cockpit side with a hidden epoxied stringer behind it to carry the deck. The stern edge will be carried by a panel of the same double 1/2" ply made to fill in the notched transom. This may change now as I will be calling CPD tomorrow.

The Gil brackets are now made the same way Armstrongs are. Fully welded aluminum, no more pipes and cost $200 less. It has a 29" setback and my OB is 86' 225 Johnson so it better fit or I'll turn it into a v-4.

thanks again to all, I'm all ears

Chap posted 04-16-2002 03:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chap  Send Email to Chap     
How about these bins.


Chesapeake posted 04-17-2002 12:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chesapeake  Send Email to Chesapeake     

Just something you probably already thought of... did you ask SSI who they are selling the bins to currently, if anyone? Perhaps they might sell to you, if there are customers other than BW. I have been able to locate a number of parts this way - particularly switches, etc.

tobes posted 04-18-2002 09:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for tobes  Send Email to tobes     
Chap, thanks I'll look into Rabud to see whats up.

Chesapeake, I talked to Lisa at SSI and she was very helpful. She went out of her way to look up the history for the bins I was looking for. Turns out that the last order was to Chaparral, 2 years ago. She even went to the floor to see if there was any left outback.

The problem now is, do I forego the teak hatches, that I would have to fabricate or go with a factory, tempress or Rabud hatch/bin setup to save some time and have them watertight.

Anyone seen these hatches, are they low end or what ? I would like to keep this boat on the high end if possible.


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