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george nagy posted 04-25-2002 11:00 AM ET (US)
I'm in the process of rewiring my entire Outrage and I'm a little stumped on the navigation lights. How does the lamp on the console light? There are two bulbs, one facing forward and one facing aft. I do not remember how they worked. I know that underway when the navigation lights are lit the front lamp should be lit and possibly the aft one not lit as it will blind the driver. When the switch is switched to the anchor position the [sidelights] turn off and the aft-facing console lamp turns on. Now I would imagine that the front facing lamp would need to go on so that while at ancorage your light will be seen from any angle. The thing I can't figure out is how to wire the switch to accomplish this one-on and two-on situation with the console pole lamp? Any advice? I'm using all new style paddle switches this one works similat to the old one in that it is a 2-position navigation and achor settings.
where2 posted 04-26-2002 01:01 PM ET (US)
[Describes a different lighting system--jimh]
george nagy posted 04-26-2002 01:27 PM ET (US)
What boat do you have? On the models 18' and above Boston Whaler put a separate stern facing white lamp on starboard side. Then they put the red on the port side and a green on the starboard side at the bow. The center console models have an additional pole light which extends from the console. This light has two lamps one facing forward one facing aft. It is this light that supplies light for both anchoring and navigation. I'm wondering if both lights are lit when anchored? If so how does the switching work? I'm almost positive that the second aft facing bulb should not be lit underway as it is almost at eye level.
Tom W Clark posted 04-26-2002 01:45 PM ET (US)
George--You have it right. In the switches first position both lights come on to form a 360-degree white anchor light. While underway, the forward facing 225-degree lamp is on in conjunction with the 135-degree sternlight to form a 360-degree white light and the red (port) and green (starboard) lights which in total are referred to as "running lights".
I think having that light in the console is a real pain. On my Outrage 18 I eliminated it and built a five foot tall stern light with a 360-degree light on the top of it. In essence replicating the simpler system found on the 17' and under Whalers.
The advantages of this modified arrangement are numerous:
You don't have the light taking up room in your console when it is retracted.
It doesn't take up any room on top of the console.
There is one less electrical device on top of your console to interfere with your compass.
It is not in your face obscuring any potion of your forward field of vision.
There is less glare on the fore deck.
It does not interfere with any canvas that you may have.
It is easier to wire.
peteinsf posted 04-28-2002 02:00 AM ET (US)
Tom--Did you put it in the center of the stern or off to the side (like a Montauk)?
I have to figure out how to rig the RAIDER 18. It has no lights (I guess the USMC didn't want to be seen) and there is not a good place to mount a [combined sidelight at the bow]. I was thinking of the console sides but I think it would light up the foredeck too much.
I can put the all-around white on the top of the tow bar (I think a two or three foot poll would work well)
Pete
Tom W Clark posted 04-29-2002 11:18 AM ET (US)
Pete--It's interesting that you would ask this question. When I saw your 25 Outrage I noticed that it had almost exactly the same stern light that I made for my 18 Outrage.
To answer your question, the light is mounted in the same location as the original. I went to some trouble to make it as similar to the original as possible. I had to find a buy some expensive stainless tubing and find a light that would fit and look like the original 135-degree light. It ended up looking just like yours, but taller.
For a description of how I built mine see: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000120.html
george nagy posted 05-01-2002 03:18 PM ET (US)
I figured out the lighting and switch sequence and the switches and console light is installed. Looks and works great!
siyc126 posted 04-25-2010 08:06 PM ET (US)
[Revived this discussion which as been dormant for eight years. Please do not expect that you can revive a discussion that has been dormant for eight years and get a reply from all the participants. Use the SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL forum if you want to ask a question about boat electrical wiring. Also read the REFERENCE article on this topic.--jimh

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Author	Topic: Navigation and Anchor Lights
george nagy	posted 04-25-2002 11:00 AM ET (US) I'm in the process of rewiring my entire Outrage and I'm a little stumped on the navigation lights. How does the lamp on the console light? There are two bulbs, one facing forward and one facing aft. I do not remember how they worked. I know that underway when the navigation lights are lit the front lamp should be lit and possibly the aft one not lit as it will blind the driver. When the switch is switched to the anchor position the [sidelights] turn off and the aft-facing console lamp turns on. Now I would imagine that the front facing lamp would need to go on so that while at ancorage your light will be seen from any angle. The thing I can't figure out is how to wire the switch to accomplish this one-on and two-on situation with the console pole lamp? Any advice? I'm using all new style paddle switches this one works similat to the old one in that it is a 2-position navigation and achor settings.
where2	posted 04-26-2002 01:01 PM ET (US) [Describes a different lighting system--jimh]
george nagy	posted 04-26-2002 01:27 PM ET (US) What boat do you have? On the models 18' and above Boston Whaler put a separate stern facing white lamp on starboard side. Then they put the red on the port side and a green on the starboard side at the bow. The center console models have an additional pole light which extends from the console. This light has two lamps one facing forward one facing aft. It is this light that supplies light for both anchoring and navigation. I'm wondering if both lights are lit when anchored? If so how does the switching work? I'm almost positive that the second aft facing bulb should not be lit underway as it is almost at eye level.
Tom W Clark	posted 04-26-2002 01:45 PM ET (US) George--You have it right. In the switches first position both lights come on to form a 360-degree white anchor light. While underway, the forward facing 225-degree lamp is on in conjunction with the 135-degree sternlight to form a 360-degree white light and the red (port) and green (starboard) lights which in total are referred to as "running lights". I think having that light in the console is a real pain. On my Outrage 18 I eliminated it and built a five foot tall stern light with a 360-degree light on the top of it. In essence replicating the simpler system found on the 17' and under Whalers. The advantages of this modified arrangement are numerous: You don't have the light taking up room in your console when it is retracted. It doesn't take up any room on top of the console. There is one less electrical device on top of your console to interfere with your compass. It is not in your face obscuring any potion of your forward field of vision. There is less glare on the fore deck. It does not interfere with any canvas that you may have. It is easier to wire.
peteinsf	posted 04-28-2002 02:00 AM ET (US) Tom--Did you put it in the center of the stern or off to the side (like a Montauk)? I have to figure out how to rig the RAIDER 18. It has no lights (I guess the USMC didn't want to be seen) and there is not a good place to mount a [combined sidelight at the bow]. I was thinking of the console sides but I think it would light up the foredeck too much. I can put the all-around white on the top of the tow bar (I think a two or three foot poll would work well) Pete
Tom W Clark	posted 04-29-2002 11:18 AM ET (US) Pete--It's interesting that you would ask this question. When I saw your 25 Outrage I noticed that it had almost exactly the same stern light that I made for my 18 Outrage. To answer your question, the light is mounted in the same location as the original. I went to some trouble to make it as similar to the original as possible. I had to find a buy some expensive stainless tubing and find a light that would fit and look like the original 135-degree light. It ended up looking just like yours, but taller. For a description of how I built mine see: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000120.html
george nagy	posted 05-01-2002 03:18 PM ET (US) I figured out the lighting and switch sequence and the switches and console light is installed. Looks and works great!
siyc126	posted 04-25-2010 08:06 PM ET (US) [Revived this discussion which as been dormant for eight years. Please do not expect that you can revive a discussion that has been dormant for eight years and get a reply from all the participants. Use the SMALL BOAT ELECTRICAL forum if you want to ask a question about boat electrical wiring. Also read the REFERENCE article on this topic.--jimh