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Ready2Rip posted 05-13-2002 01:45 PM ET (US)   Profile for Ready2Rip   Send Email to Ready2Rip  
Picked up a Tohatsu 9.9 with the 15hp kit. Can anyone give me some direction on where I go from here? Some of my questions are:

1) Do I need a dropdown bracket?
2) If so, who makes a good one?
3) How is the steering issue handled?
4) Any issues with tapping into the fuel line?

Thanks in advance,

Mike

Bigshot posted 05-13-2002 03:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
What boat is it going on.....what other engine do you have?
Ready2Rip posted 05-13-2002 04:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ready2Rip  Send Email to Ready2Rip     
'89 Revenge 22 w/Yamaha 200. The Tohatsu has the linkage for remote steering, but I have no idea on where to begin.

Thanks,

Mike

jimp posted 05-13-2002 05:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
R2R -

I've got my long-shaft 9.9 Yamaha mounted on the transom on the port side alongside the 225 Johnson. No bracket.

For steering, many folks use an "E-Z steer", a bar that connects the main engine to the kicker mid-way down the exhaust housing, which enables them to directly steer with the steering wheel (thurn the wheel, which turns the main, which turns the kicker). I use nothing: I lock the kicker amidships, and use the main engine as a rudder. It works OK, but it is difficult to steer upwind, so I mostly troll downwind.

My fuel line is separate from the main engine and comes off my Racor fuel filter.

JimP

Ready2Rip posted 05-13-2002 05:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ready2Rip  Send Email to Ready2Rip     
Jim,

Thanks for the tips. My Tohatsu isn't a long shaft, so I'll probably have to go with a drop-down bracket. I'd like to find one that is rock solid - most of the ones I've seen so far seem pretty flimsy.

I'll check my fuel filter to see if it has a plug for a second line.

Appreciate the help,

Mike

Dick posted 05-13-2002 10:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
If you want a super heavy duty motor bracket take a look at the Garelick #71090, 71033 or 71056. Might be overkill but they can't be beat.
JimCha posted 05-14-2002 01:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for JimCha  Send Email to JimCha     
I have heavy duty garelick portside to main engine. Setup is 18 Outrage 88 with 150 HP Suzuki and 9.9 Honda 4 stroke as kicker. The garelick allows for 9 inches of up or down adjustment. With a long shaft don't really need much down adjustment but with a 15 inch shaft the downward adjust would be needed. Garelick well made. It does through bolt the transom.

Recommend EZ steer. Have used main motor as steering in past as recommended by BW but have found this marginally acceptable. Used EZ steer on another boat and better than the other option I now use (temporarily) which is a connecting rod between motors (cheaper than EZ steer).

If you really want control then put throttle control at console. Did this on previous boat and for a trolling setup hard to beat, if trolling is your thing.

Ready2Rip posted 05-15-2002 06:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ready2Rip  Send Email to Ready2Rip     
Jim,

That sounds like a sweet setup. I'll have to look for a dual-throttle control when I'm ready for the conversion. Thanks to everyone for their advice.

Mike

lhg posted 05-16-2002 03:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
You must have the engine converted to a long shaft 20". The short shaft will not reach below the transom to push the boat, and you will be at risk of burying the powerhead. You will get lousy performance out it, especially offshore. Rather than fool around with the wrong shaft engine, do it right the first time. If it's too expensive to add the shaft extension, get a different engine.

See also the pictures of the Guardian 22 in Cetacea for a BW CPD installed kicker on your model boat. BW has always said the 22 needs a 20" shaft auxiliary engine.

Tom W Clark posted 05-16-2002 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Mike,

As lhg points out, a 15" shaft motor will not work. Even if you use a bracket you will have to lower the motor beneath the surface of the water. Even a 20" shaft model clamped directly to the transom gets pretty wet.

If you do get a bracket, use it to mount a 25" kicker instead and keep the power head up high. By the way, the best kicker bracket ever made is the OMC model with the hydraulic assist cylinder and really nice castings and fasteners. Very HD.

You have a Revenge model which is weighted more in the bow and thus the transom floats higher, but I was looking at a 22 Outrage over the weekend with an single V-6 motor on it. The owner had installed a big piece of black plastic like Starboard that is used as a motor mount. It brought the effective transom height up another 5 inches for the kicker and really keeps the powerhead of the kicker out of the water.

jimh posted 05-17-2002 09:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
With reference to shaft length, the following usually applies:
"short" = 15-inches
"long" = 20-inches
"extra-long" = 25-inches

When Ready2Rip said his engine was not a "long shaft" he might not have been using this same guideline.

kingfish posted 05-17-2002 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Agree with Tom Clark re: the OMC bracket.

I don't know the formal designation or if they are still made, but we have had one on our (other boat) first with a 9.9 Johnson and lately with a 9.9 Yamaha 4S kicker in the chop of the North Channel, and after 5 or 6 years anyway, it still looks and acts brand-new.

kingfish

Ready2Rip posted 05-17-2002 11:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ready2Rip  Send Email to Ready2Rip     
I'll have to break out the measuring tape over the weekend to check the shaft lenth. I was hoping to use the kicker as a tender motor also, although at 75lbs, it's a handful. Wouldn't want an extra long shaft on my tender, but that isn't as bad as a wet powerhead on my kicker.

Thanks again for the excellent advice!

lhg posted 05-17-2002 07:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Unless your tender can handle a 20" long shaft engine (some can, such as a 13' Whaler)
you probably won't be able to achieve double duty for the engine.
Ready2Rip posted 05-17-2002 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ready2Rip  Send Email to Ready2Rip     
How is the measurement made for shaft length? I measure 23.5" from where the shaft bolts to the powerhead unit to the center of the prop.

Mike

Tom W Clark posted 05-17-2002 11:25 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Mike,

The shaft length is determined by measuring the distance from the highest point inside the clamp bracket of the motor (in other words where the top of the transom will be) to the cavitation plate, more or less. Measuring it this way directly relates it to the height of the transom.

By the way, what is a 9.9 with a 15 hp kit? Isn't it one or the other, regardless of whether or not they are essentially the same motor?

Ready2Rip posted 05-18-2002 12:58 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ready2Rip  Send Email to Ready2Rip     
Tom,

Using the measurements you suggested, it comes to 17.5". I guess this isn't going to work after all.

Regarding the 15hp kit - the throttle linkage on a new Tohatsu 9.9 doesn't open all the way to WOT. They make an aftermarket linkage cam that allows WOT, which they claim brings it up into the 15hp range. I used to have this engine mounted on my Achilles inflatable, and I noticed a big difference with the new linkage cam.

Thanks again for the advice. You guys are saving me time and money from learning the hard way.

Mike

Tom W Clark posted 05-18-2002 10:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Mike,

Your Tohatsu is a 15" (short) shaft. I just measured one of my short shaft outboards and it was 17.5" to the cavitation plate, and one of my long shafts was 22" to the cavitation plate.

Your Tohatsu will not work on your Revenge as a kicker. You should see if there is a shaft extension kit. If so it should cost less than $200 and be easy to install.

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