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gansett posted 06-04-2002 07:40 PM ET (US)
The long stantions on my front railings are secured to the boat with a steal (heavily rusted) plate. Is this standard, or was this added as reinforcement by someone over the years. See: http://www.kinnakeetadventures.com/DCP00704.jpg
Ed Z posted 06-05-2002 10:48 AM ET (US)
Mine are attached via just the two screws into the fiberglass... I don't think Whaler would have used anything except stainless steel if it were origonal... It sounds like a previous owner had a problem with the screws striping out (origonal ones)... I had this with several of mine too, but I just removed the stantion and then put thin CA (cyanoacrolate glue, avalable from any hobby store in 1 and 2 oz bottles) in the holes and let it wick into the wood behind the glass...For the side mounted screws I first made a small damn at the bottom of the hole (modelers clay) to prevent the glue from running out and down the inside... Let the CA dry for about 10 minutes or more and then reinstall the stantion and screws... If to much glue was used you may have to ream (redrill) the holes to proper size... If the screws still remain stripped out a second CA application can be done... If the hole is far to large then probably epoxy is the answer... I like the CA treatment as it makes the wood around the screw hole much much stronger and is water proof and lasts for ever... I use it to seal the under side of the mahogany hold down blocks too (again be sure the glue has dried prior to reinstalling the block)...
dburton posted 06-05-2002 01:20 PM ET (US)
I believe the piece that you are talking about is the through the hull fitting shown on your pic. It should not be rusted. The best fix is to buy a new one from the OEM. I am sure that it (and all pieces to your rail) are pricey but it is the way to go.
See:
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000004.html
dburton posted 06-05-2002 01:23 PM ET (US)
Please note the updated phone number for CMI lower down in the thread.
gansett posted 06-06-2002 07:16 PM ET (US)
Thanks Ed and db. I've look through Cetacea photos and seen a few that have some sort of support on the outside of the hull. Some appear to have it on both front and back stantion of the front rail. (Can anyone confirm this?) I'll give CMI a call and see what they have.
Ed Z posted 06-07-2002 10:30 PM ET (US)
After looking at the picture you had I see what you are talking about... I too have these plates on my Nauset, but mine look to made of aluminum (or possibly non-polished stainless)... You might be able to still get the originals or possibly make some new ones... I just got some Stainless from West Marines metal shop...
Tom W Clark posted 06-08-2002 01:40 AM ET (US)
gansett,
The hardware you are talking about is called a backing plate. These have been used on the Whalers since the early 1960's, usually for the middle stanchion of the bow rail on the 16's. Not all the 16's and 17's have made use of them however. Likewise the 13 side rails used them for certain years and not others.
They are made of chrome plated brass. If the ones you have now are truly rusted, they are probably retrofitted imitations.
The backing plates are still available from CMI. Sometimes used ones come up on Ebay or the Marketplace section of this FORUM.

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Author	Topic: '69 Nauset Front Railing Restoration Advice
gansett	posted 06-04-2002 07:40 PM ET (US) The long stantions on my front railings are secured to the boat with a steal (heavily rusted) plate. Is this standard, or was this added as reinforcement by someone over the years. See: http://www.kinnakeetadventures.com/DCP00704.jpg
Ed Z	posted 06-05-2002 10:48 AM ET (US) Mine are attached via just the two screws into the fiberglass... I don't think Whaler would have used anything except stainless steel if it were origonal... It sounds like a previous owner had a problem with the screws striping out (origonal ones)... I had this with several of mine too, but I just removed the stantion and then put thin CA (cyanoacrolate glue, avalable from any hobby store in 1 and 2 oz bottles) in the holes and let it wick into the wood behind the glass...For the side mounted screws I first made a small damn at the bottom of the hole (modelers clay) to prevent the glue from running out and down the inside... Let the CA dry for about 10 minutes or more and then reinstall the stantion and screws... If to much glue was used you may have to ream (redrill) the holes to proper size... If the screws still remain stripped out a second CA application can be done... If the hole is far to large then probably epoxy is the answer... I like the CA treatment as it makes the wood around the screw hole much much stronger and is water proof and lasts for ever... I use it to seal the under side of the mahogany hold down blocks too (again be sure the glue has dried prior to reinstalling the block)...
dburton	posted 06-05-2002 01:20 PM ET (US) I believe the piece that you are talking about is the through the hull fitting shown on your pic. It should not be rusted. The best fix is to buy a new one from the OEM. I am sure that it (and all pieces to your rail) are pricey but it is the way to go. See: http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000004.html
dburton	posted 06-05-2002 01:23 PM ET (US) Please note the updated phone number for CMI lower down in the thread.
gansett	posted 06-06-2002 07:16 PM ET (US) Thanks Ed and db. I've look through Cetacea photos and seen a few that have some sort of support on the outside of the hull. Some appear to have it on both front and back stantion of the front rail. (Can anyone confirm this?) I'll give CMI a call and see what they have.
Ed Z	posted 06-07-2002 10:30 PM ET (US) After looking at the picture you had I see what you are talking about... I too have these plates on my Nauset, but mine look to made of aluminum (or possibly non-polished stainless)... You might be able to still get the originals or possibly make some new ones... I just got some Stainless from West Marines metal shop...
Tom W Clark	posted 06-08-2002 01:40 AM ET (US) gansett, The hardware you are talking about is called a backing plate. These have been used on the Whalers since the early 1960's, usually for the middle stanchion of the bow rail on the 16's. Not all the 16's and 17's have made use of them however. Likewise the 13 side rails used them for certain years and not others. They are made of chrome plated brass. If the ones you have now are truly rusted, they are probably retrofitted imitations. The backing plates are still available from CMI. Sometimes used ones come up on Ebay or the Marketplace section of this FORUM.