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JustinAndersen posted 06-14-2002 06:33 PM ET (US)   Profile for JustinAndersen   Send Email to JustinAndersen  
I'm intending on purchasing a 9.9 Honda in the next month or two to use as a kicker on my Montauk. Any suggestions to the make and model of transom bracket to use?
Tom W Clark posted 06-15-2002 01:53 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     

DO NOT use a bracket on your Montauk! Clamp your new kicker directly to the transom as Boston Whaler recommends. Be sure your kicker is a 20" shaft motor.

A bracket will put a greater strain on the transom as well as allow the kicker to bounce around more. The controls will be harder to reach and a steering interconnection with the main motor will be much harder to arrange and connect/disconnect.

Clamping the kicker to the transom will also have the added benefit of saving you $200 to $400 for the bracket itself. The very best bracket, the OMC bracket with the hydraulic lift assist can cost over $400.

ChrisCT posted 06-15-2002 09:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for ChrisCT  Send Email to ChrisCT     
I agree w/ Tom. Just put a 5 HP 4 stroke tohatsu on mine and wasn't sure if I needed a bracket. Screwed right to the gel coat intead and it is working fine. Also put a steel cable with a clamp to one of the metal rings a few inches from the kicker (just to be sure it never goes overboard). Mine weighs 57 lbs - just be careful how much weight you put back there. Not because of potential stress to the transom but because of the lean and balance while using your main motor.
whalernut posted 06-15-2002 01:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
A 9.9 is overkill and that Honda will weigh a bunch, I would go for the 4-6h.p. 4-stroke class. Good luck-Jack.
Steve Leone posted 06-16-2002 01:39 AM ET (US)     Profile for Steve Leone  Send Email to Steve Leone     
100 % agree. mount it on the transom as suggested. 9.9 is an awful lot of kicker as stated. if you do mount on the transom use a "transom saver". this is a rubber pad added to the transom before you put the outboard on. make sure you seal the screwholes with sika-flex or a similar product. steve out
JustinAndersen posted 06-16-2002 02:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for JustinAndersen  Send Email to JustinAndersen     
Thanks for the advice. ChrisCT - how is the 5hp? Any problem keeping the bow where you want it to go in big water?
ChrisCT posted 06-17-2002 07:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for ChrisCT  Send Email to ChrisCT     
Have used my 5 HP in Long Island Sound for trolling while fishing w/ 4 people aboard in low waves and was very happy w/ it. It got around 5 MPH and wasn't quite at full power. If used as a kicker and/or backup it seems to be plenty of power and only cost $1129 over the internet. I think someone told me that a 9.9 hp or so would only get me 7/8 mph and those extra few MPH seemed to cost a lot of money and weight on the boat. The only thing that I realize myself doing is keeping watch on balance when using main motor due to the extra starboard weight. Not bad lean but noticable.
ChrisCT posted 06-17-2002 07:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for ChrisCT  Send Email to ChrisCT     
Oh and that cable I used to 'secure' it to the boat made me feel much more comfortable about not losing it overboard.

Kastly after some people in the boat club saw the new shiny motor they said I should probably put in in my locker when not in use b/c it looked so nice. I instead got a lock which goes over the two clamps and locks them in place as a theft deterrant. Haha - One other guy I heard about spray painted the cover to make his new kicker look old so no one would be tempted to steal it.

Tom W Clark posted 06-17-2002 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     

I would tend to agree that a 9.9 is bigger than necessary. I used a 6 hp on my Montauk and it was perfect. Anything from 4 hp to 8 hp is probably fine.

Regarding the mounting of the motor, do not use a transom pad. This will defeat to grip of the motor to the transom. You want the motor clamps to dig into the gelcoat for a good grip which is very important. This is what the Whaler Owner’s Manual recommends.

Use the auxiliary bolt holes on the kicker’s motor bracket (if so equipped) and you can dispense with any chain or cable. It also makes it much more difficult to steal.

JustinAndersen posted 06-17-2002 06:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustinAndersen  Send Email to JustinAndersen     
Once again, thanks for the advice re. hp. I'm a pessimist when it comes to worst case scenarios and I figured my main motor will only quit in 10+ ft. swells, thus the need for some real power in the kicker. Should 6hp do it?
JustinAndersen posted 06-17-2002 06:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustinAndersen  Send Email to JustinAndersen     
Actually, just reviewed Honda's website - they don't offer a 6hp, only a 5. Furthermore the cowling is the "old style" which doesn't really match up with the new smooth cowl on my 90hp. There's a 40lb weight differential (60 vs. 102) between the 5 and the 9.9 (the 8 uses the same block as the 9.9 and lists the same weight so might as well go bigger). Even though I'm intending on mounting it on the port side (same side as the steering wheel) I'm thinking balance shouldn't be an issue...
Tom W Clark posted 06-17-2002 08:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     

OK, so if the 9.9 and the 8 are essentially the same then you should get the 8. No advantage at all in getting the 9.9 as the only difference will be at WOT which kickers rarely, if ever see. You will pay more of course.

I would encourage you to mount the motor to starboard as it will help counteract the prop torque that tends to make these boats list to port while underway.

ChrisCT posted 06-17-2002 09:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChrisCT  Send Email to ChrisCT     
Oh the - steering wheel on mine is on the left side of console which adds some weight (me) to port side. I think that was the clincher on me mounting it starboard. I even find myself leaning a bit left of the console to counteract the kickers weight. Not annoying or anything but a bit noticable.

Be interested in hearing more but even my 55 lb 5 hp does cause boat to list a little so the 100 must lean even more.

If you can find out what mph the 8 or 9.9 will get you (much more than the 4-6 mph i get) - you might find you can spend that extra 700 bucks or so on some nice extras! A few months back I remember wanting more hp - but am happy now w/ the 55 lb 4 stroke 5hp. By the way the Tohatsu 8 2 stroke weighs in at 59 lbs. Oh and 9.9 weighs the same. They are 2 stroke which could be a pain but they give you 2 cyliders which mean smoother quieter engine. 4-6 hp are all 1 cylinder.

JustinAndersen posted 06-18-2002 04:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustinAndersen  Send Email to JustinAndersen     
Chris: I'm embarrassed to admit that I've never heard of Tohatsu - I'm in Ontario (i.e. Canada) and I don't think we get those up here. We don't get any Mitsibushis up here, either. Have you had a chance to use the 5hp in BIG water? Minimum 6ft swells?

JustinAndersen posted 06-18-2002 04:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for JustinAndersen  Send Email to JustinAndersen     
Tom: I've been playing around a bit today and I didn't realize 'till now that that airborne Outrage (on page 40)I've shown my wife, friends and family over the past months was yours! That is, by far, one of the best pictures on this site and that says a lot considering the quality (and quantity) of photos this site has to offer. Thanks for the additional feedback. I think, nonetheless, I'm still going with the 9.9 as IF business is going well (which it won't be if I continue to surf the Continuous Wave site during biz hours!) and IF I catch my wife in the right mood I'd like to upgrade to a 20+ Outrage and salvage the kicker to put on a (gasp!...) aluminum boat for the kids... I do my boating on Georgian Bay (see the excellent article by our host on the subject) where the rocks are nasty and ever-growing and the Stanley Bros. of Parry Sound will make me a PLATE aluminum 14' (hit a rock and just TIG re-weld) that would certainly be used WOT.
ChrisCT posted 06-19-2002 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChrisCT  Send Email to ChrisCT     
haven't seen swells that big yet so no clue. I think
the 9.9 is a good idea if you may go to a larger than Mantauk whaler
soon. Tohatsu is the same as Nissan.I bought my Tohatsu/Nissan

Hehe don't be embarrassed I had never heard of Tohatsu before either.
apparently Tohatsu is big where these guys are in Louisiana and they are
not familiar w/ Nissan. My wife and I both have Nissan cars Pathfinder
and Maxima so I figured their outboards must be good too. We are both over 100 thousand miles. Wonder what that would equate to in boat motor hours..

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