Forum: WHALER
  ContinuousWave
  Whaler
  Moderated Discussion Areas
  ContinuousWave: Whaler Repairs/Mods
  Is it hard to install and AM/FM radio??

Post New Topic  Post Reply
search | FAQ | profile | register | author help

Author Topic:   Is it hard to install and AM/FM radio??
zinny0753 posted 08-05-2002 03:32 PM ET (US)   Profile for zinny0753   Send Email to zinny0753  
Hello:

I have a 98 Ventura and I would like to install a radio/CD player under the dash. I think I can handle that but I am worries about the installtion of the speakers. I was to put the in the stern of the boat, below the seats but I am worried about cutting into the gelcoat/ fiberglass. Any suggestions?

Thanks.

Will

Bigshot posted 08-05-2002 04:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Don't really matter where you mount the speakers because you will not be able to hear it good while on plane. I would mount them where you get the best protection from the elements and sound good where you lounge out.

Installing is not hard, getting it to work and keeping it working a few years from now is usually my problem.

David Jenkins posted 08-05-2002 06:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
Bigshot is right--you will not be able to hear them if they are mounted under the seat. And I would not cut into the fiberglass. Look into getting speakers that do not have to be recessed. The Bose outdoor 151s are nice if you are willing to pay the price.
Capt_Tidy posted 08-05-2002 06:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Capt_Tidy  Send Email to Capt_Tidy     
Do your a favour and get the whole radio put inside a nice marine anti-weather case... my local auto-radio shop sold me one for about $80 that is completely sealed with front bubble door and an easy to mount bracket. It looks awesome and you can wash it down without worry.
ratherwhalering posted 08-05-2002 06:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
I was considering the same thing a few months ago. The biggest problem was mounting the stereo without any new cut outs. After a ton of indecision, reasoning, advice, and consideration, I bought a 12v Sony portable splashproof boom box. ($129.00) I installed a female Perkos watertight connection under the dash, then spliced the Perkos male end to a female lighter extension cord. Now, I can use the outlet to run/charge my spotlight, stereo, handheld GPS, handheld VHF, or cell phone. Since each has a different voltage regulator in the plug, this is a universal set up. I love it, and use it all the time. Back to the point, I am SOOO glad I didn't install a radio because after the first month, I realized how little I actually used it, and now it just sits in a locker.
Jay A posted 08-05-2002 06:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jay A    
Check out Boat US, they have a selection of self contained box speakers that mount onto brackets that are marine safe.I agree with Dave, I would not cut into your hull. I've seen these type of speakers mounted to the sides of center consoles and many other locations. And the only holes you'll need to make are for the mounting hardware.
zinny0753 posted 08-05-2002 08:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for zinny0753  Send Email to zinny0753     
Yes, I may install the box speakers under the two consoles and see how that sounds. I just have a bad feeling about drilling into the fiberglass.
zinny0753 posted 08-05-2002 08:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for zinny0753  Send Email to zinny0753     
By the way. Thanks for all of the advice. I sure do love owning a Whaler because it seems all of the owners are great people as well.

Thanks again.

David Jenkins posted 08-05-2002 09:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
Drilling into the fiberglass is one thing, cutting into it is another. I thought you were considering cutting a hole into which you were planning to recess a speaker. That would not be a good idea. But drilling holes (for screws) is fine. Is that what you meant?

Do you really have two consoles?

zinny0753 posted 08-05-2002 10:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for zinny0753  Send Email to zinny0753     
David:

You were correct. I WAS planning on CUTTING two 4" diameter circles into the fiberglass in the stern under each of the stern seats. However, what I think I will do now is is put two of the box speakers under each console by DRILLING.

Can anyone recommend a good set of box speakers? Those Bose 151's look pretty nice but with the brackets almost $500!! Anyone have any other suggestions? Is POLY PLANAR any good?

Thanks.

David Ratusnik posted 08-05-2002 10:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Ratusnik  Send Email to David Ratusnik     
zinny- Word around the marinas I frequent is that 2 yrs is about the life expectancy of even high end am-fm units. Mine is about to go. The tape player preceded the radio in death. David
Drisney posted 08-05-2002 11:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Drisney  Send Email to Drisney     
Zinny, I have had very good luck with my stereo. The speakers are waterproof poly planars (sound great) they are cut into the back of the console. the console makes a great resonator. My stereo is a marine model and it is in a housing it has worked fine for numerous years....and yes I wash the whole thing down....Dave
David Jenkins posted 08-06-2002 08:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
In another post, someone recommended mounting the speakers inside tupperware containers. You take the top off of the container when you are ready to listen to music. Otherwise, the speaker stays covered. I did not do it with my 151s, but it sounds like a good idea.
Bigshot posted 08-06-2002 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I have a set of Radio shack car speakers(box0 that I bought on 1/2 sale for like $50. They have been in my t-Top radio box since 1994 and still work great....little rust on the grills but...hey! get what sounds good to you and fits your budget.
zinny0753 posted 08-06-2002 03:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for zinny0753  Send Email to zinny0753     
Okay. Thanks for all of the great advice. I have decided to install a Poly Planar MRD 60 am/fm/cd player with their box 800 speakers under the two consoles. The receiver is a little more expensive that I liked but I like the waterproof front. Does anyone have this unit?

Thanks.

Will

triblet posted 08-07-2002 11:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
Please don't share your tunes with the rest
of us. The water should be a peaceful place.


Chuck

David Jenkins posted 08-07-2002 11:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
Triblet,

Do you have a 2-stroke or a 4-stroke engine? Just curious.

David

jimh posted 08-07-2002 11:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I have never seen an AM/FM radio installed on a Whaler. I think they add something at the factory to the laminate that spoils reception so that no one will ever try to install one on a Whaler.
zinny0753 posted 08-08-2002 09:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for zinny0753  Send Email to zinny0753     
Triblet:

If you want a peaceful place on the water go to the Minnesota Boundry waters. The most beautiful area on the planet and the eviromental whackos DONT'T LET MOTORS ON IT!!

I installed the box speakers this morning under the conoles. Thanks for that advice. VERY easy to install and you cannot even see them.

I am going to put in the radio tonight once I figure out the wiring.

Will

kingfish posted 08-08-2002 09:24 AM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Jimh-

I guess you've not looked closely at my center console - I've got a Jensen AM/FM/CD unit just above my VHF with Bose 131's flush-mounted in the removable gunwale side panels opposite the console each side. Wonderful sound when I want it, but I guess I don't remember firing it up at any of the rendezvous we've both attended.

John

David Jenkins posted 08-08-2002 12:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for David Jenkins  Send Email to David Jenkins     
There is a time and a place for everything. And sometimes on a moonlight cruise, or anchored at the sandbar, a little music can make the boating experience positively magical. I keep my music on an Apple iPod. It holds 1100 songs and is the size of a deck of cards. It interfaces easily to the Jensen AM/FM/casette amplifier. No commercials. No static. No batteries.

I agree with you that the boaters who pull into fuel docks with radios blaring are obnoxious, but I object to the assertion that stereo systems should not be on Whalers. Cheers!

jimh posted 08-08-2002 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Kingfish--I am going to bring my prized John Fahey CD to the next get-together. We can relax and listen to some of the strangest traditional American guitar playing ever recorded.

Actually, outboards are awful places for AM radio. Because of the modulation technique, AM reception is plagued with ignition noise interference from most outboard engines. Even FM is not immune. My old 4-cylinder Mercury tears up the FM reception on my VHF Marine radio to the point of being useless except at idle speeds.

Also AM reception is very problematic on a fiberglass hull. Efficient antenna performance needs a reflective ground plane like your car body. Most boat AM radios perform like ****.

And the acoustic environment is bad, too: very noisy.

For me boating is the noise of the engine and the water against the hull; the canvas flapping in the breeze and the spray coming off the bow. Throw in the smell of a two-cycle engine and some smokey exhaust: now you are talking boating!

jimh posted 08-08-2002 01:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I will make one exception to my no-radio on Whalers rule: if you want to listen to Garrison Keilor's A PRAIRIE HOME COMPANION on Saturday nights from 6-8 p.m. on Public Radio International, that is allowed.

I have actually taken a little portable with me so I could listen to "The News from Lake Wobegon" while fishing. Living in the vicinity of WUOM's 300,000 watt signal gives me good coverage anywhere east of Lansing and north to Flint, where WFUM takes over for another 50 miles.

kingfish posted 08-08-2002 02:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
jimh-

John Fahey and Garrison Keilor are welcome on my boat *anytime*.

As has been said, there's really nothing that you can listen to very well when underway, but I have been listening to a lot of Van Morrison lately and have been "playing the grooves off" of his latest collection, "Down The Road", for a while, when at rest.

I'm trying to remember the name of the disciple/student/whatever of John Faheys who also became popular with acoustic 12-string among an eclectic group of fans...

kingfish

Taylor posted 08-08-2002 03:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Taylor  Send Email to Taylor     
Leo Kottke?
kingfish posted 08-08-2002 04:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Bingo!!

Taylor, you are a man of rare taste and discrimination (and thanks for the help - that one just was not coming to the surface).

Are you familiar enough with Leo Kottke to know his song, "Pamela Brown"? On my top 50 list of all-time, all-artist favorites - maybe even top 20---

kingfish

jimh posted 05-19-2004 07:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
[Closed old thread that was revived inappropriately.]

Post New Topic  Post Reply
Hop to:


Contact Us | RETURN to ContinuousWave Top Page

Powered by: Ultimate Bulletin Board, Freeware Version 2000
Purchase our Licensed Version- which adds many more features!
© Infopop Corporation (formerly Madrona Park, Inc.), 1998 - 2000.