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slockemd posted 08-15-2002 09:35 AM ET (US)
How can I mount a 17" Johnson 9.9HP motor (auxilliary for trolling use) on
the transom of a Whaler Montauk? If it is mounted with the standard clamp
over the top of the port side of the transom, the tip of the lowest blade of
the prop (in the 6 o'clock position) is even with the bottom of the transom,
meaning the prop will be ineffective. What type of mounting bracket can be
used to mount the motor lower, but still have the motor tiller control clear
the top of the transom. Before you say, "why didn't you buy a long shaft
motor", we did buy what was advertised as a long shaft but it turned out to
only be only 17" -- too short. We are trying to find another solution other
than crating it up and shipping it back to the eBay seller.
Steve L.
slockemd@REMOOVEMEattbi.com

JBCornwell posted 08-15-2002 12:25 PM ET (US)
Hi, Stock.
The "pad" for kicker mounting is on the starboard stern, but it wants a 20" shaft engine.
You could mount a liftable kicker bracket there, which would allow you to lift the lower end free of the water on your shorty.
I would go find a 20" shaft engine I could swap for.
Just one opinion.
Red sky at night. . .
JB :)
whalersman posted 08-15-2002 12:30 PM ET (US)
slockemd,
I don't know what year your engine is but OMC does sell shaft extension kits. These kits turn a Short Shaft 15", into a Long Shaft 20". I have also seen these kits for sale on eBay used.
Just another option for you to think about.
Here is another thread on mounting Long Shaft kickers on Montauks.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002601.html
Bigshot posted 08-15-2002 01:07 PM ET (US)
try it! If not in rough seas it should work fine. While you have it, give it a go.
gnr posted 08-15-2002 01:26 PM ET (US)
It should work fine for trolling. I use a Honda 5h shortshaft clamped directly on the transom of my 17 Guardian for trolling with no problems.
Tom W Clark posted 08-16-2002 01:52 AM ET (US)
slockemd,
You need a 20" long shaft motor. A long shaft kicker will measure about 22" to the cavitation plate (my Evinrude 8 hp 4-stroke measures 22.5") and a short shaft will measure about 17" as you have found out. (my Johnson 6 hp measures 17")
There is reinforcement in both the starboard and port sides of the 16'/17' transom for a kicker motor. The starboard side is generally preferred because it will help overcome the list to port while running caused by the prop torque.
Shaft extensions kits are available for most motors. Expect to pay about $200 for one and then you still have to install and paint it.
JCL posted 09-13-2002 10:38 PM ET (US)
I used a swing down mount from Bass Pro shops on my 79 Montauk mounted with through bolts using the wood imbedded in the transon for that purpose. I Backed it up with a piece of teak and used stainless hardware. Motor is an evinrude 8 hp short shaft and the cavitation plate is even with the bottom of the starboard corner of the hull in the down position and the skag is just out of the water in up position. 10 years now and it works fine.
Brand is Garelick. Page 42 Bass Pro marine catalog.
JCL
Bobby posted 09-14-2002 08:24 AM ET (US)
I too use a swingdown bracket for a shorty Merc 9.8 Mine is a stainless steel five position. It is mounted on the starboard side of 1982 Montauk. I backed it with a piece of aluminum for extra support. Looks good..works fine...
bocadrew posted 09-14-2002 10:37 PM ET (US)
my 86 Montauk came with what I think you guys refer to as swing down kicker bracket. I am currently looking to buy a used kicker if I can find one. I know Tom Clark says mount directly on transom so I plan on removing my bracket and mounting on transom but I am still curious as to purpose of the swingdown bracket. Is it just so you can use a short shaft? Or are there other reasons why some people use them?
Dick posted 09-14-2002 10:59 PM ET (US)
The use of a good swing down bracket allows you to use a short shaft motor. The only problem is that the cost of a good heavy duty bracket is quite high. Better off to go for the long shaft and forget the bracket.

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Author	Topic: How mount kicker on Montauk?
slockemd	posted 08-15-2002 09:35 AM ET (US) How can I mount a 17" Johnson 9.9HP motor (auxilliary for trolling use) on the transom of a Whaler Montauk? If it is mounted with the standard clamp over the top of the port side of the transom, the tip of the lowest blade of the prop (in the 6 o'clock position) is even with the bottom of the transom, meaning the prop will be ineffective. What type of mounting bracket can be used to mount the motor lower, but still have the motor tiller control clear the top of the transom. Before you say, "why didn't you buy a long shaft motor", we did buy what was advertised as a long shaft but it turned out to only be only 17" -- too short. We are trying to find another solution other than crating it up and shipping it back to the eBay seller. Steve L. slockemd@REMOOVEMEattbi.com
JBCornwell	posted 08-15-2002 12:25 PM ET (US) Hi, Stock. The "pad" for kicker mounting is on the starboard stern, but it wants a 20" shaft engine. You could mount a liftable kicker bracket there, which would allow you to lift the lower end free of the water on your shorty. I would go find a 20" shaft engine I could swap for. Just one opinion. Red sky at night. . . JB :)
whalersman	posted 08-15-2002 12:30 PM ET (US) slockemd, I don't know what year your engine is but OMC does sell shaft extension kits. These kits turn a Short Shaft 15", into a Long Shaft 20". I have also seen these kits for sale on eBay used. Just another option for you to think about. Here is another thread on mounting Long Shaft kickers on Montauks. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/002601.html
Bigshot	posted 08-15-2002 01:07 PM ET (US) try it! If not in rough seas it should work fine. While you have it, give it a go.
gnr	posted 08-15-2002 01:26 PM ET (US) It should work fine for trolling. I use a Honda 5h shortshaft clamped directly on the transom of my 17 Guardian for trolling with no problems.
Tom W Clark	posted 08-16-2002 01:52 AM ET (US) slockemd, You need a 20" long shaft motor. A long shaft kicker will measure about 22" to the cavitation plate (my Evinrude 8 hp 4-stroke measures 22.5") and a short shaft will measure about 17" as you have found out. (my Johnson 6 hp measures 17") There is reinforcement in both the starboard and port sides of the 16'/17' transom for a kicker motor. The starboard side is generally preferred because it will help overcome the list to port while running caused by the prop torque. Shaft extensions kits are available for most motors. Expect to pay about $200 for one and then you still have to install and paint it.
JCL	posted 09-13-2002 10:38 PM ET (US) I used a swing down mount from Bass Pro shops on my 79 Montauk mounted with through bolts using the wood imbedded in the transon for that purpose. I Backed it up with a piece of teak and used stainless hardware. Motor is an evinrude 8 hp short shaft and the cavitation plate is even with the bottom of the starboard corner of the hull in the down position and the skag is just out of the water in up position. 10 years now and it works fine. Brand is Garelick. Page 42 Bass Pro marine catalog. JCL
Bobby	posted 09-14-2002 08:24 AM ET (US) I too use a swingdown bracket for a shorty Merc 9.8 Mine is a stainless steel five position. It is mounted on the starboard side of 1982 Montauk. I backed it with a piece of aluminum for extra support. Looks good..works fine...
bocadrew	posted 09-14-2002 10:37 PM ET (US) my 86 Montauk came with what I think you guys refer to as swing down kicker bracket. I am currently looking to buy a used kicker if I can find one. I know Tom Clark says mount directly on transom so I plan on removing my bracket and mounting on transom but I am still curious as to purpose of the swingdown bracket. Is it just so you can use a short shaft? Or are there other reasons why some people use them?
Dick	posted 09-14-2002 10:59 PM ET (US) The use of a good swing down bracket allows you to use a short shaft motor. The only problem is that the cost of a good heavy duty bracket is quite high. Better off to go for the long shaft and forget the bracket.