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John O posted 10-02-2002 01:09 PM ET (US)   Profile for John O  
I have the flaring tool from Hamilton if anyone would like to borrow. I will UPS and ask for it returned once done or you could forward to someone else in the group. I replaced my lower drain on Newport. The tube had to be bent at a weird angle to fit in, otherwise it worked well. let me know

John O

newt posted 10-02-2002 01:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
John,

A generous offer that I may take you up on this winter.....

John O posted 10-02-2002 02:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
no problem. I do not think there is much use for the set up other than flaring, i hope i do not have to do again soon.
John O posted 10-02-2002 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
where are youon the N. Shore. I'm in Gloucester
eastport posted 10-03-2002 11:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for eastport  Send Email to eastport     
would be interested in borrowing also (like in the spring) the forward idea sounds great...and well in the spirit of the board
newt posted 10-03-2002 11:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for newt  Send Email to newt     
John, I am in Groveland. Since most people have never heard of it, Groveland is nestled in between Georgetown, West Newbury, and Haverhill.

I need to replace the transum drain tube, and will tackle it after the boat is pulled for the winter.

Maybe if I get ambitious, I will run down to the Annisquam, through the canal and pick it up in Gloucester!

Thanks.

John O posted 10-03-2002 01:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
I can not take credit for the forwarding idea w/ the flaring tool. Some one else suggested a while ago. However i am willing to do it. The first person who wants the tool send me your address and i will get the ball rolling.

John O

John O posted 10-03-2002 02:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
sending tool to NJ today. Whoever wants it next speak up and when Rich is done he will forward it. And we're off !!!!!
John O posted 10-03-2002 02:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Newt-- come on down. i am out for the season. I live near the high school which has a great launch now. Just sent you an E amil regarding tool. Cracked block on Johnson 1988 88slp. that's why i am looking for a used Johnson/Evinrude to replace

John O

John O posted 10-04-2002 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Sent the tool to NJ on Thurs. 10/3. It only cost $2.97 in a padded USPS envelope. i shipped w/ the bolt that Hamilton Marine included which was 4" . to use on longer tubes such as the lower one on the Montauk or simular hull a longer bolt is need and can be picked up at any hardware store for a buck. bring the tool into the store or atleast the nut so it fits.

Got a lot of action for the tool and need a system to set up the next guy. If it runs on this post or my email it may get difficult to track.

would there be a section on this site to start a list of people waiting for the tool?

the best way is to have the person w/ the tool ship to the next guy. I would rather it not go through my email as it might become overwhelming. I will do it until we can figure out a system. Any thoughts?

Smallfrye posted 10-04-2002 05:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Smallfrye  Send Email to Smallfrye     
Any thoughts on the idea of re-selling these special tools in a rotation fashion ?
If someone needs the tool, they purchase it from a forum member for a set price. Once done with it , they can keep it for future use or rotate it back to another forum member.
In the case of this flaring tool, the new cost is about $30. If the current owner would ship it to the new user for $30, the cost for him to use would be only the cost of shipping.
Comments please ???
Jimm posted 10-04-2002 09:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Jimm  Send Email to Jimm     
Home Depot has a nice one for $16.97
Gep posted 10-04-2002 09:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
John,
That was me who offered to do it in a previous post and no one took me up on it.
I remember thinking it seemed stupid to buy this tool, use it once and throw it in a drawer to gather dust.
I never pursued it because I wanted to do mine first and just haven't gotten around to it.
Mike
John O posted 10-04-2002 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Well the ball is rolling so to speak. I do not care about my cost for the tool. I have sent it and now hope it will be used with other folks here on CW. Again my biggest conccern is that i do not oopen my E-Mail and have 20 guys looking for the tool and then have to decide who gets it next,I hope we (Jim) can set up an area for posting this.
Bert22 posted 10-06-2002 08:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bert22  Send Email to Bert22     
I would be interested in borrowing a tool for a few days . I am ordering the repacement tubes today and will be wanting to replace them when they arrive if at all possible ! Please get back to me or describe the tool that Jim mentioned from Home Depot so I can get one if the others are un available ! Thanks
John O posted 10-07-2002 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Bert- will email you today w/ info on tool availability.

John O

Bert22 posted 10-07-2002 09:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bert22  Send Email to Bert22     
That will be great . I will use it and get it right back !
DaveNJ posted 10-08-2002 07:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveNJ  Send Email to DaveNJ     
I think the person who gets the tool next:
1) Should receive the tool and an email address of the next user who needs it.

2) After you are done contact the next person. If no response, post here for next in line.

3) First name to post will get it, and second name in line will be included in the package with tool when shipped.

4) When no more responses, send tool back to JohnO.

Hopefully, this will keep going. It will also be self managing and not be a pain for JohnO. Thanks for sharing !

Dave

John O posted 10-08-2002 10:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Let me put a current list together and I will post on this string tommorrow. Out of town tonight without lap top. I have had a few emails as well and need to figure out who is next. Some need in the spring so that works out well. I need to contact current person now who has it.

Daves idea sounds good and we should try.
John O

John O posted 10-12-2002 10:07 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
List:

RICH-currently in NJ. Working on this weekend
BERT22- would like next as he has the tubes
NEWT- Looking for it this winter
EASTPORT- Spring time.

If i need to add anyone let me know. I suggest Rich and Bert22 talk. Newt and Eastport are a ways out unless they want it sooner. The key will be for the current person to make an effort to get it to the correct person who is next. Once this gets going it will run smooth.

Have a great week end.-John O

DaveNJ posted 10-12-2002 04:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveNJ  Send Email to DaveNJ     
I would like after Bert22. I am about to order the tubes.

thanks,
Dave

DaveNJ posted 10-12-2002 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveNJ  Send Email to DaveNJ     
I just contacted Bert22 by email because it looks I can use it after him and before NEWT (winter). After I am finished I could contact NEWT and send to him if he is ready for it.

Dave

Bert22 posted 10-12-2002 06:05 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bert22  Send Email to Bert22     
I got your address and will forward it to you in NJ
Eric posted 10-13-2002 06:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for Eric  Send Email to Eric     
I changed my stern drain tubes nearly 2 years ago, and decided not to bother flaring the ends. It hasn't been a problem, but I think that I could get it done here without much hassle, so don't add me to the list. I like this idea. Very creative.
Whalerific posted 10-16-2002 01:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerific  Send Email to Whalerific     
JohnO:

Please add me to the list for this winter (no rush) per my e-mail to you. Thank you!

John O posted 10-16-2002 07:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Ok got it
John O posted 10-17-2002 09:16 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Update:

Rich------ spring ?
Newt-------Winter
Eastport---Spring
Bert22-----Current
DaveNJ-----after Bert22 (Next)
Whalerific-Winter

Gents- Rough time line. As we get into the Winter we can narrow down dates. Looks like Bert22 and DaveNJ have been in touch w/ one another. Thanks all for making this run smooth. John O

John O posted 10-21-2002 11:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Bert has the tool now and will forward to Dave next. Whalerific after ?

John O

roger8918 posted 12-31-2002 01:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for roger8918  Send Email to roger8918     
Hi Gang, Great thing you guys are doing. I would like to get on the list. Holidays are just about over and I need to get back to work.
Whalerific posted 12-31-2002 02:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerific  Send Email to Whalerific     
Yes. I can use it right after Dave. Thank you.

Jim

John O posted 01-01-2003 01:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Not sure who has it now. Could someone post if they have it and when it may be forwarded.

Happy New Year,
John O

DaveNJ posted 01-02-2003 07:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveNJ  Send Email to DaveNJ     
I guess Bert22 still has it. I have not received it yet. I am ready to do it, so I should be able to forward it quickly to next.

DaveNJ

DaveNJ posted 02-12-2003 11:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveNJ  Send Email to DaveNJ     
BertO must still have the flaring tool. I have not received it from him yet.

Hope to get soon, so I can pass along to next person.

jeffjatich posted 02-12-2003 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for jeffjatich  Send Email to jeffjatich     
does anyone know the specifications or details for the tubes. I work for a company that designs and manufactures tube forming products. When I am proving out my new flaring tool I could test the correct diameter, length and flare angle and ship them. jeffjatich@aol.com
John O posted 02-12-2003 07:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Oh where oh where has Bert22 been. As we get close to spring I hope the tool can get moving along. Anybody know where it is?
alkar posted 02-13-2003 11:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
The sharing of the flaring tool is a great idea - but I don't want to wait until July to fix my tubes - and the tool doesn't seem to be moving.

I guess I'm going to drop the 35 clams for a new tool. I'll contribute it to the site for sharing when my tubes are in. I'll let you guys know when my I'm done with my job and I'll ship the tool to the next guy in line...

DaveNJ posted 02-14-2003 07:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveNJ  Send Email to DaveNJ     
I wrote Bert22 on 2/12/03 and have not received a reply.
I asked him if he can't use it now to ship to me and I would it ship it back to him in 1 week. I have been waiting since November. I have to downtime now in my garage so I hope he can get the tool moving soon.

John O posted 02-14-2003 03:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
I emailed Bert22 and have yet to receive a response. I will try again.

John O

John O posted 02-22-2003 08:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
I guess at this point the tool is gone. If it does ever surface please let me know so that it can be used.
alkar posted 02-23-2003 10:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
John, it's a shame your generosity and trust were not rewarded through more sharing and gratitude. I'm confident that most of the folks on this site wouldn't have let you down - and I'm still hopeful that there is a benign explanation for Bert22's silence.

My new tubes should arrive next week. If I can't flare them properly with the hammering technique others have described, I will be buying a flaring tool and, as I've said before, I'll toss it in to the site for group use when I'm done.

John O posted 02-23-2003 12:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
I bought the tool from Hamilton Marine. They have a web site. Part # 123524 35.99 plus 6.84 to ship. Total 42.83.

I am sure mine will resurface, but as we approach boating season here in the Northeast I had hope many people would have been able to replace there tubes

Nedmack posted 02-23-2003 06:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for Nedmack  Send Email to Nedmack     
Boatfix.com has both the 1" and 1-1/4" flaring tools for $26.30 each. I guess that you can't do the 1-1/4" transom tubes with the 1" tool. I was hoping that I would be able to kill two birds with one stone. In light of the hold up with the "share tool", does anyone have a flaring tool they want to sell? I need the 1" and the 1-1/4" flavors.
John O posted 02-23-2003 07:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Bert22 may be selling
larimore posted 02-25-2003 03:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for larimore  Send Email to larimore     
I have ordered the 1-1/4" flaring tool from boatfix.com. I will be done with it quickly and will sell it to anyone for my cost($25) and free shipping. Assuming shipping takes 1 week and I take 1 week, the tool will be available to ship in 2 weeks or less from now. Email me if you are interested at mike@michaellarimore.com
DaveNJ posted 02-26-2003 12:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for DaveNJ  Send Email to DaveNJ     
I received the flaring tool on 2/25/03 from Bert22. He wants it back after I am done because he still needs it.

Whalerific was after me, so contact Bert22 with your shipping address.

I plan to get it back to Bert22 in 1 week.

John O posted 02-26-2003 09:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Thank god I did not tell my wife that the tool was lost. She thought I was a fool for lending the tool to strangers.

If she only realised that I have also sent checks to some character named Tom Clark for RPS legs and cds. thanks Bert22 for not having to admit to my wife that shipping out a tool to strangers is a risk!!!!

FLARE ON !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Tom W Clark posted 02-26-2003 09:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
John O,

RPS legs? CDs? What RPS legs and CDs?

daverdla posted 02-26-2003 11:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for daverdla  Send Email to daverdla     
John O,
You should listen to your wife;) You're a good sport for loaning out your tools to strangers. I don't loan my tools to people I know.
Dave
Gep posted 02-27-2003 08:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
John,
I had to laugh out loud at that one.
Our wives must be related.
Mike

Tom,
My wife also wants to know who this Tom W Clark character is. I told her you were collecting for little sisters of the poor.

John O posted 02-27-2003 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
My wife had me thinking Elizabeth Grady was a friend when it is actually the name of a salon she goes to every month.
roger8918 posted 02-28-2003 01:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for roger8918  Send Email to roger8918     
Now that the tool is on its way again I would still like to get in line.
DaveNJ posted 03-01-2003 09:40 AM ET (US)     Profile for DaveNJ  Send Email to DaveNJ     
I just finished with the flaring tool. It worked great and I am glad I waited for it instead of using a ball peen hammer and trailer ball.

I just sent BACK to Bert22 who should have it in 2 days.

Whoever is next in line, Contact Bert22 with your ship address.

JohnO - Thank you so much for sharing this tool. It worked out great for me for a 1 time use.

Gratefully,
Dave

John O posted 03-01-2003 03:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
The flaring tool works easily. Describing the procedure is the most difficult thing.

Glad you got to use it Dave.

John O

Whalerific posted 04-04-2003 09:18 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerific  Send Email to Whalerific     
Is the flaring tool available? I'm ready to pay for shipping, and really looking forward to this very fun Spring project!
John O posted 05-02-2003 06:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
I am guessing Bert22 has the tool now. Could someone give us an update?

John O

Barry posted 05-02-2003 06:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
I've got a 1-1/4" diameter flaring tool if anyone would like to borrow it. I needed that size for the transom drains on my 22-Outrage.

I was able to borrow a 1" flaring tool from a local boat store.

DIVE 1 posted 05-02-2003 10:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for DIVE 1    
Barry,
If you let me borrow the tool for a day, I could turn out a few on my lathe.
Jim
John O posted 05-03-2003 02:09 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
That is a great offer. I do not have a lathe and am not skilled enough to make something of that sorts.
North Beach posted 05-04-2003 08:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for North Beach    
What is a flaring tool used for?
John O posted 05-04-2003 10:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
This tool is used when one replaces the through hull tubes on Whalers. In a Montauk there are 4. One on the bow locker, one in the bildge, and two in the splash well. Often after several years they corrode and need to be replaced. The tubes are usually sold with one end flared and one end flush. One must insert the flush tube in and flare it to grip the edge of the hole.

The flaring tool flares out the tibe creating a lip and securing the tube on both ends along with a rubber gasket and some type of caulking, perhaps 3M 4200 Adhesive or Life Caulk.

larimore posted 05-08-2003 12:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for larimore  Send Email to larimore     
Here is a copy of a letter I sent with my 1-1/4 tool, I could not include the photos:

My installation went very well and quick.

I definitely do not recommend using the o-rings.
I used MarineTex epoxy putty. It made the installation go much easier and gives a better seal against water. Epoxy is more permanent, but should easily last another 14 years and the tubes could be removed if necessary.

The pictures show in order:
· Holes cleaned with sandpaper and acetone
· Putty put in 1st ½” of each end of hole
· Tube cut to Ό” longer than transom thickness. I put the tube in, marked it, and then cut it Ό” longer. I would not go with a bigger flange, it could be 1/16” smaller. It is VERY important that this cut be straight because of the small size of the flange. I used a cut-off saw. A tubing cutter would have worked, but I did not have one. I could not get a good grip on the tube to use a hack saw. I used a belt sander to even the cut when necessary. I cleaned the tube with sandpaper and acetone.
· Put liberal amount of putty on the flange end, then insert into hole from inside boat. Putty will ooze out – No problem, easy clean-up
· Force putty around extending end of tube before using tool
· Put tool and bolt into tube from inside boat. Place closed-end wrench on bolt inside boat. Hold the tool against the transom while crimping.
· The tool takes a lot of pressure to crimp. Use ½” Socket wrench or equivalent. I used a pipe extension, thought not necessary if you have room to exert leverage. You have to screw down very hard. The tube should not be moveable once crimped – Check it. My first crimp was too loose, I would have preferred to get it tight the first time.
· I cleaned up the excess epoxy with paper towels – Looks great.
I gave it a lot of thought and inspection before deciding to dump the o-rings and go with the MarineTex. It did not look like the o-ring seal would be as good or as easy to install as the MarineTex. I figure the tubes will last the remainder of the boat, and they can be removed if necessary. The last ones lasted 14 years.

But, incase you decide to go with the o-rings, I expect that the flange must be slightly bigger. And don’t forget to install the rings when measuring the tube for cutting.

alkar posted 05-17-2003 10:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
That's a great description of the tube replacement process. I chose to use the O-rings. (Skipping the O-ring actually makes sense to me as larimore described it - I just have not tried it, and I can't understand why whaler would have installed the O-rings if they were not necessary.)

I have a couple additional tips to share.

First, it's very important to remember to lube the flaring tool. I forgot to add oil after using the tool several times, and my flare split after the tube was in place.

Second, tube length is absolutely critical. If it's too short you don't have enough lip to roll over. If it's too long the tube will want to split at the flare or buckle inside the hull.

I found it best to get the flare rolled out and then finish the roll-over with a hammer, covering the tube with a shop rag as I struck it.

Whalerific posted 05-27-2003 02:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerific  Send Email to Whalerific     
I could use the flaring tool now if it is available. I'll send my address by e-mail.
Thanks.
John O posted 10-11-2003 10:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Update on the Flaring tool. Who has it now and where is it going next?

Looks like Barry from Ohio may have it now.

If someone could let us know if they have it or to whom they sent it to last we can get it circulating again.

This being the end of the season for some it may be an opportune time to replace drain tubes.

thanks in advance .

John O

John O posted 10-11-2003 11:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Maybe Bert22.

I think Barry bought his own. Sorry Barry. I did not read the post carefully.


Bert22, Are you out there?

John O posted 03-15-2004 01:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Looking for the flaring tool. I need to replace a friends drain tube ASAP. Please let me know where it ended up and the current status. I will re-circulate after.

Thanks--John O

alkar posted 03-15-2004 02:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for alkar  Send Email to alkar     
John, if Bert 22 does not respond quickly I'll try to help.
Gansett returned my tool right after he used it, so it's back in my tool box and ready to be loaned out again. Please e-mail me with your address.

My work schedule is going to take me out of the loop for the next couple days, but when I can get back to my garage I'll look for the tool and send it to you.

Tad Seckinger posted 03-15-2004 10:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tad Seckinger  Send Email to Tad Seckinger     
Boy I could really use the tool as well when it's free again. Should be a quick turn around and would be happy to leave a deposit. By the way, where did you order the tubes from? I have a 17' that is stripped and ready for pre-paint prep. The existing tubes are in bad shape and I plan to replace them ASAP. I still haven't decided whether to re-paint or re-gelcoat the boat. I hate to start up that thread again but the input is really fantastic. Thanks to a great group of fellow Whalers....
15ft smirk posted 03-15-2004 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for 15ft smirk  Send Email to 15ft smirk     
John,
15ft smirk posted 03-15-2004 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for 15ft smirk  Send Email to 15ft smirk     
John,
15ft smirk posted 03-15-2004 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for 15ft smirk  Send Email to 15ft smirk     
John,
15ft smirk posted 03-15-2004 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for 15ft smirk  Send Email to 15ft smirk     
John,
15ft smirk posted 03-15-2004 11:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for 15ft smirk  Send Email to 15ft smirk     
John,
15ft smirk posted 03-15-2004 11:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for 15ft smirk  Send Email to 15ft smirk     
John,
I want to take you up on the tool offer--I'm replacing the thru-hull tubes now; shouldn't need it long. Please advise how to make contact and coor'd the shipping. thanks! john.
15ft smirk posted 03-15-2004 02:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for 15ft smirk  Send Email to 15ft smirk     
John,
would like to borrow the drain tube tool. please advise how I can obtain it. thanks! john.
John O posted 03-16-2004 12:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
alkar and 15FT,

I can wait for the tool. My buddy trailers the boat and in my opinion his tube is OK.( Hummm that did not sound right...)

Thanks for the generous offer, but I will wait to see if my tool resurfaces.

FYI. I purchased the tool at Hamilton Marine and the tube from a Whaler dealer. I imagine the same tool can be found for less at a supply shop.

John O

gansett posted 03-16-2004 04:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for gansett  Send Email to gansett     
Tad, I ordered my tubes from Twin Cities. Sue had Whaler deliver them directly saving us both on shipping costs. There are three tubes on a 17, but two tubes from Twin Cities will be long enough to do all three. Alkar's tool was sweat... use lots of grease. Check out my pic http://www.kinnakeetadventures.com/drain.jpg
John O posted 03-22-2004 07:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
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Tad Seckinger posted 03-23-2004 10:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tad Seckinger  Send Email to Tad Seckinger     
Boy, unfortunate about the tool. Makes you think twice about sending it out again. I did order the tubes from Sue at twincities marine. She was so pleasant and offered to assist with any questions. She even offered to help me research the model of the boat. Wow, what planet is she from? She gets all my Whaler business from now on. I'm into a complete restore so her assistance is a pleasant surprise. I should have the parts by the end of the week. I may have to try the ball peen hammer trick but hate to experiment on the boat. Thanks for all on this list for the help.
jimh posted 11-29-2008 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Does anyone know the whereabouts of this tool?
Ridge Runner posted 12-01-2008 05:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ridge Runner  Send Email to Ridge Runner     
I have one if anybody needs to use it just let me know.

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