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JimU posted 10-28-2002 11:13 AM ET (US)   Profile for JimU   Send Email to JimU  
I need to install the rod holders that are located under the Gunwhales of my Outrage 25. Previous owner removed them for whatever reason. I plan to cut some from teak, mahogany or PVC using my jig saw. Does anyone have a template that I can use as a pattern? The rod holders hold three rods on each side. Thanks JIM
Fishcop posted 10-28-2002 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Fishcop  Send Email to Fishcop     
JIM,
I have the rod holders on my 25. I will try to get one to you or a template made.
Andy.
JimU posted 10-28-2002 11:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for JimU  Send Email to JimU     
Thanks, Andy. A cardboard template would be great. I assume they are the same for both sides. I have a little minor tweaking to do on my "new boat" before I get it just right. A through hull drain replacement and the rod racks are first priorities. I'v done the through hull drain. JIM
whalersman posted 10-28-2002 12:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Fishcop,

This would be another great addition to the OEM drawings that we are trying to compile for continuouswave users.

If you could submit a drawing, we will add it to the list here in the Meta-Forum under "Drawings for OEM Equipment":
www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/drawings/drawings.html

jimp posted 10-28-2002 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimp  Send Email to jimp     
JimU -

Not sure if the rod holders on a 1990 Revenge 22 WT are the same, but I'll send you a photo of the King Starboard rod holders I made - copied from my old teak holders (photos not the best). Consider making them out of King Starboard - easy.

JimP

lhg posted 10-28-2002 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
The problem with the Whaler original mahogany plywood rod racks was quick delamination. The plywood end grain was not adequately sanded to receive the varnish, and the rough, bandsaw cut & routed edges deteriorated rapidly, causing delamination of the entire unit.

In 1991, the factory replaced these with identical shaped units, but in black 3/4" starboard. I bought these repacement parts back then, and they still look brand new. Like JimP, I would recommend the black starboard.

It's possible that the Commercial division may still have these available. I noticed from the Cetacea pictures that Louie Kokinis' '98 Guardian has them.

Joe/Whalersman - I have one or two of the original mahogany ones I took out of my 1989 25, still in decent shape. If you will agree to return it to me, I will send it out for measurements for your drawing collection!

whalersman posted 10-28-2002 03:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
lhg,

If you would just trace them on a large piece of paper, I could measure the piece and then make a drawing and place it in the drawing section. This way we would not have to pay shipping back and forth...

I also have a set in my Outrage 18. I do not know if they are the same size as the larger Outrages. I will be taking mine out sometime this winter to refinish them or make new ones. At that time I am going to trace them and make drawings.

lhg,
If you ever remove your Teak Bow Pulpit in your Outrage 18 or 25 to refinish them, would you please trace them and submit them for drawings?

Thanks

Tom W Clark posted 10-28-2002 03:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I disagree with Larry's assessment of the mahogany rod holders. The ones on my 1983 Outrage 18 were the ONLY wood part that I never refinished. I sold that boat when it was 17 years old and while the rod holders could have, at that point, used a touch up coat of varnish, there was absolutely no delamination in them at all.

I used my rod holders hard. I used them for holding fishing rods, the stern light, a telescoping boat hook, my deck scrub brush, occasionally a gaff, and the long handle of my fish landing net.

Whether or not the Whaler mahogany rod holders were good or bad is not really germane to JimU's desire to build his own. I do think that the quality of Whaler's woodwork went down hill towards the last half of the 1980's as they began to out source the manufacture of these parts. If JimU is building from scratch he will be well served to note Larry’s comments and make sure the edges ARE well sanded and that he use a good varnish to finish them.

Mostly, I think it is the quality of the plywood itself that will make the difference between wood rod holders that hold up and those that do not. There is not going to be any satisfactory way to make them from solid wood however. That would just invite the "hooks" to break off where the short grain spans the curved shape.

Whether built of plywood or plastic (of course I think the mahogany looks far better) I think it would be great to have the drawings of the rod holders available at whalersman’s archive of drawings.

lhg posted 10-28-2002 04:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom - these rod racks went bad on both of my Whalers. Both spent 6 months of the year in the S Florida environment, so that could have made a difference. Salt, Tropical UV and high humidity could have made the difference.
The factory varnish jobs were very thin.
Capt_Tidy posted 10-28-2002 05:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Capt_Tidy  Send Email to Capt_Tidy     
I found the rod holders frustrating on my 25 since the tubes in the rear seem to snag everything - rods, brush, boat hook. I have to lift things up and then out. Maybe this is a good thing but I'd love to find some long tubes... lots of room inside but haven't really looked yet though?
Barry posted 10-28-2002 05:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Barry  Send Email to Barry     
Since almost all the wood is off of my 22' I gave this a shot. I traced the rod holder pieces on two sheets of paper and then scanned those in. I emailed those images to Jim.
Gep posted 10-29-2002 08:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
How timely. I just two nights ago started pulling everything out of my 81 Outrage to get ready to refurb it.
I have one of the only good rod holders from my boat sitting in my office to use as a template.
Good info Tom, I almost started making them out of solid mahogany, but was wondering if the hooks would be strong enough.
Guess I'll have to find some mahogany plywood to make them out of.
whalersman, If I drew these on my cad, would you be able to import them as a dxf or dwg drawing?
Let me know.
Mike
whalersman posted 10-29-2002 01:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Gep,

I'm not sure if I can convert it or not. I think I would be able to take a screen shot of it if nothing else.

I already have the drawing made up of the Cleat which is 8" long by an 1 1/ 8" wide and made of Solid Mahogany. The Rod Holder itself is made of Mahogany Plywood.

If you have time, please make a drawing of the Holder and I'll see what I can do.

Regards

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