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elaelap posted 01-27-2003 05:16 PM ET (US)   Profile for elaelap   Send Email to elaelap  
That's winches, guys, not wenches....As an old sailor, I feel naked on a boat without a winch. Anybody installed one (or more) on a 16/17, and if so, how, why, where, who, when, what, etc?


Bigshot posted 01-27-2003 05:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Winches go on trailers and sailboats. Hell Whalers don't even have cleats.
elaelap posted 01-27-2003 07:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
...and not their most redeeming quality, BigShot, the lack of cleats. I betcha many 16/17s out there have both cleats and winches...mine sure will eventually.


Bigshot posted 01-28-2003 08:42 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Don't do it unless you like to repair fiberglass. Cleats need backing plates so good luck.
newps posted 02-05-2003 03:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for newps  Send Email to newps     


hooter posted 02-05-2003 09:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for hooter    
Mah brother-in-law's got 'bout 500 pounds o'extra lights and chrome gee-gaws bolted and glued all ova his Honda Goldwing. That seems t'be perfectly appropriate to the rig in the opinion o'his biker-dude buddies (big fella's, most ov'em). Mebbe if you got a Goldwing, some o'you folks could exercise yer mobile decoratin' urge and leave that pretty Whaler alone. The stern lifting eyes and bow norman pins on mah several 16/17's never left me in need a'somethin' t'tie a rope to.
elaelap posted 02-06-2003 04:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
hooter, hooter, hooter...

I'm not talking about tons a geegaws, just a small winch on the bow to help my aching and aging back break loose my anchor, and a cleat port and starboard amidships to ease dock landings when I'm aboard alone, which is often. And yes, bigshot...I know not to screw the damn things into the glass without backing plates.

Take an even strain, guys. The lack of cleats on the 16/17s is a mistake, whatever you fundamentalist types say.


hooter posted 02-06-2003 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for hooter    
Tony, If it woiks f'you, do it. No questions asked. But if opinions are desired, Ah gots a few. Ah ease m'back by puttin' the mate on the anchor. If no mate, Ah usually stick t'fishin' places positionable wid a rig-hook or a mud pole. Ah'm with you on preservin' the ole back. Spot that wood locatin' diagram, though, before you screw down the new hardware. There's two more cents f'free:-!
triblet posted 02-06-2003 08:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
If my Danforth is in sand or mud, it will
come out with a bit of a pull by hand.

If it's stuck in rocks, finesse, not muscle,
is the first attack. A bit of jiggling will
usually get it loose. And if it's really
stuck, I tie off to the Norman pin and
Evinrude do the work. Once in a great while
(like 1 in 100 anchorings) it's really stuck
and we dive on it. But a winch wouldn't get
those out anyway.


elaelap posted 02-07-2003 12:42 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Yes, triblet, I know. In fact, one sure-fire tactic for breaking out a stubborn anchor is to snub the rode up as tight as possible to a CLEAT (the bow norman pins would work fine on a 16/17) directly over the anchor and let the up-and-down motion of the craft work the anchor loose (obviously this works on the ocean...I never boat on calm lakes so I don't know whether it would work there; probably not). What I should have discussed, in favor of a small bow winch, is the help it would give me getting the damn anchor, anchor chain, and line up and into the boat. I used to anchor my O'Day 23 from the stern when I was single-handing, and then used the sheet winch to help pull up the anchor. Very nice, especially with my ancient and battered sacroiliac.

But now back to my original request: Have any of you folks installed a winch on a 16/17; and, if so, can you tell me your tale? Thanks,


logan posted 02-07-2003 01:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for logan  Send Email to logan     
my cousen has a Halibut skate puller his 17. the davet is mounted to the gunwhale thrughbolted, and attatched to an aluminum back plate, sealed very profusly with 5200. the motor is mounted on the front of the console. its not the most prity setup but for those who have a whaler to use and have it bebecause it's usefull for other than lookin at can appretiate the setup. or i beleave there is wood upfront you could use lagscrews and 5200 to secure it to. i think the diagrams of where the wood is located can be found somewhare on this site.
logan posted 02-07-2003 01:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for logan  Send Email to logan     
now that there is a little discussion on pulling ancors, stuck or otherwise. the charter fleet here usuly use a round bouy attatched to there ancor line so that it slides down the line and pulls the ancor up as you pull it thrugh the water. we typicaly stick once or twice a season (a season is about 3 months with perhaps 2 drops of the hook a day 6 days a week)

you use a good sized round bouy with 2 feet of line attatched. the other side of the line gets a caribiner and a 6 inch ring. the ring goes around the ancor line. when its time to go run around the ancor going fast enough for the drag on the bouy to start pulling up the ancor. you run untell you see the ball get to the ancor it will kind of bounce when it is there. then you can pull in your ancor line along the serface of the water instead of pull it stright up. may not be to usefull a trick for a small boat. not much room for the ball and the ancor is not to heavy but on boats a little larger it is very helpfull.


elaelap posted 02-07-2003 07:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Winch would sure come in handy for pulling crab pots too...


ratherwhalering posted 02-11-2003 02:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for ratherwhalering  Send Email to ratherwhalering     
I have a solution that may help. Install a pedistal seat to the front locker bulkhead, with the backing plate inside the locker. The universal mount can then be used for the OEM seat. Unbolt the seat and add a 2' by 3' plywood panel, and it becomes a great bait/dining table. Design a shepard's hook, with a pully and winch, and it becomes a center mount crab pot puller. But wait, there's more... put a lewmar two speed atop the post, and you have your bow winch. Since my Montauk came with the mount and seat, I have considered a million uses for it. Just have a first aid kit on board 'cause its one heck of a shin banger!
elaelap posted 02-12-2003 06:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Thanks for that, ratherwhalering, it's the first helpful (I think) and serious (I think) response I've had to this query on the forum, though I've had a few with great photos.

But listen, guys...I'm thinking of a leeetle manual winchy, not a windlass or a big Lewmar 2-speed, maybe mounted right on the bow. Somebody out there must have done this and wants to brag about its functionality.


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