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Russell posted 03-01-2003 08:33 PM ET (US)   Profile for Russell  
I have just purchased a 1982 18' Guardian. The after gunnels are metal from the transon to mid ships. After removing the rubrail they came off easily and I can now set about stipping off and replcing the paint. When I removed them there was a lot of dirty glue on the underside. Any ideas what would have been used to seal the metal to the hull and any tips on a good epoxy for filling the holes before I put the screws back? Should I drill new holes when replacing the rubrail or will filling and rescrewing be OK. Apart from dirt the hull looks sound.
j_h_nimrod posted 03-02-2003 12:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for j_h_nimrod  Send Email to j_h_nimrod     
5200 should work good for bonding the metal to the hull. I would not worry about filling the holes with epoxy unless they are stripped out, if not I would just put some 5200 in the holes and then rescrew it down.
jimh posted 03-02-2003 02:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Whaler has traditionally used the spelling "gunwales" and this is preferred here.

I would not use an extremely strong adhesive like 3M-5200 to bed the gunwales. It would make subsequent removal of the gunwales extremely difficult.

In the small amounts you'll be using, WEST SYSTEM Epoxy is a good choice. West provides easy pre-measured amount of resin and hardener which insure good strength in the final mixture and simplify mixing.

Tom W Clark posted 03-02-2003 03:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Actually, Whaler has traditionally used the spelling gun'l which is kind of bizarre.

Both the spelling gunwale and gunnel are accepted as correct in all the dictionaries I have looked them up in. No dictionary that I have seen lists gun'l as a proper spelling.

My own preference, and the one I use, is gunwale. It is just a little "saltier" and more traditional. Generally, I use the spelling or word that Whaler has used when I discuss these boats here on the FORUM. However, gun'l is just a little too far out there for my tastes and in this case I use gunwale.

If we really want to split hairs Russell, the parts to which you refer are the gunwale boards, not the gunwales themselves.

By the way, the aluminum gunwale board option on a 1985 Guardian 18 cost an extra $1,100 when new. Thatís almost $1,900 in todayís dollars!

I would guess they were originally bedded with silicone caulk.

For filling the screw holes of the old rub rail I would use 3M 5200, 3M 4200, 3M 101, Sika 231, Sika 240 or Sika 241 or any of a number of other polyurethane or polysulfide caulks. All you are trying to do is seal the old holes to prevent water intrusion. When you install the new rub rail you will want to drill new holes for the new screws.

Russell posted 03-02-2003 12:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for Russell    
Many thanks for the tips, I will probably be back with more questions as I'm new to small boat restoration. Apologies for starting a debate on the spelling of gunwale/gunnel - Tom is correct that either conform to genral nautical terminlogy but I will make sure to use the Whaler preference next time. After 24 years as a professional mariner, I should have been more sensitive and checked first.
jimh posted 03-02-2003 04:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I hope you don't think that using consistent terminology for particular parts or features is just idle pendantry. Adopting the Boston Whaler terminology provides a consistent naming convention for many parts of the boat.

For example, the term "transom weld" was just introduced to us in [url] http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/004507.html[/url] This is a much better way to refer to that part of the boat than by various other descriptive phrases.

As for which is preferred, gunnel or gunwale, I can state without hesitation that gunwale is the preferred spelling. In the dictionary, the primary meaning of gunnel is any of several elongated bandlike blennies of the family Pholididae. The secondary meaning of gunnel is "gunwale."

Many nautical terms are spelled differently than their pronounciation. The term "forecastle" is a good example.

The orthography "gun'l" is an attempt to represent the pronounciation of the word gunwale in eye dialect. (That's how hooter writes.)

In any event, I think you've found some good information on how to repair and replace them, no matter what you call them.

kingfish posted 03-02-2003 08:17 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
I think "gunnel" at least started it's life (or something like it) as the phonetic spelling of gunwale, but the real culprit here is the fact that what has been the accepted pronunciation of "gunwale" for a very long time is actually a slurring of it's original and once correct pronounciation. As Jim suggested, "forecastle" is generally pronounced, "fo'c's'le", and in fact is frequently seen spelled that way, but it is still the forecastle. Cockburn is pronounced Coburn, and I don't know anybody that pronounces all the syllables that are really in the word "Worcestershire", but that still doesn't make it "Woostershire".

kingpedanticfish

dgp posted 03-02-2003 08:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
kingfish, I just thought that was hooter's way of asking "whaas-dis-here sauce?"
kingfish posted 03-02-2003 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
You're right! That's it! And if Hooter didn't say that, he *should* have--

If I were one for those three-letter acronyms, I'd be writing LOL here - I nearly fell out of my chair when I read that-

kv

kingfish posted 03-02-2003 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
kf
hooter posted 03-02-2003 10:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for hooter    
Ah always thought the feller that sold that sauce in the bottle just couldn't spell, cause it IS whaas-dis-here sauce! Ask any one down here.
Arch Autenreith posted 03-03-2003 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
Kingfish and Hooter:

Along with Bigshot your senses of humor are appreciated. I haven't thought of 'what-is-this-here-sauce' for so long! And that thread about the balloons: laying down so your head didn't hurt then decided to take a nap! Too funny.

I have to make it up, down or over to some rendezvous (What's the plural of rendezvous) to meet you all someday.

You sure I can't interest a get-together on the lovely Pittsburgh 3-Rivers where the water cops fine you for standing while piloting a center console and the water always leaves a nice scum line? ;-)

kingfish posted 03-03-2003 12:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
Arch-

I love "exploring" the Ohio River - I've gotten about 100 miles upstream from Cincinatti so far. Maybe one of these days I'll see how much more it would take to get all the way to Pittsburgh, and enjoy some of those fine experiences you describe!

kf

hooter posted 03-03-2003 01:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for hooter    
Arch, Check out kingfishy's profile (Ah tink he's only a cousin o'the real Kingfish, Huey Long, as Huey never could stand the cold). You guys is practically NEIGHBORS up North, there! Anythin' above I-10 is "up North". So t'see us you's both goin' t' have t'do some travelin' south. Best time f'specs is comin' up. May and June are usually great, October and November even better and the reds are runnin', randy as snakes by then, as well. So take your pick.
kingfish posted 03-03-2003 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for kingfish  Send Email to kingfish     
I'm looking for somewhere to drag Outre' for a Spring trip this year, the latter part of this month I think, and I was starting to consider the FL panhandle, Atchaflatchakafka or whatever and environs. Maybe I'll slip over a little West and try some of those specs, and treat some of my addictions at Felix's and Galatoire's. I just will have to be sure my wife doesn't find out I snuck over there without her...or she'll toss me over the gunwale!!

kf

Arch Autenreith posted 03-03-2003 02:22 PM ET (US)     Profile for Arch Autenreith  Send Email to Arch Autenreith     
Uh oh...sounds like we may have to move this to the Trips and Rendezvous section at some point. I may have to join you John for some fishing in Soutí Louisana. Isnít that were all the philosophizers come from?

Arch

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