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sternman posted 04-11-2003 11:12 PM ET (US)   Profile for sternman   Send Email to sternman  
I have an '89 18 outrage cc (original owner)and have had a problem with the port running light for several years.Commercial repair people haven't been much help and since I recently discovered this great forum,I thought I'd give it a go:
The light turns on ok 95% of the time.When it doesn't a little jiggling of the switch will get it going.The problem is that after about 1/2 hour - 1 hour of running,it goes out.The green light is fine.Never fails.If I turn the lights out and wait an hour or so both will come back on but again,only for an hour tops.I've replaced bulbs and sockets.No change.All the repair guys say,"you've got a short somewhere but it's too much hassle to replace the wiring." I suspect that the members of this forum know a heckuva lot more about Whalers than the guys I've dealt with and would appreciate any advice on this problem.By the way;just how much hassle is it to replace the wiring to the running lights on this model?Thank you/Steve Grimes/Poquoson,Va.
jimh posted 04-11-2003 11:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
First step would be to carefully clean all the terminals in the navigation lamp fixtures and on the bulbs. Check that all the bulbs are good and are properly seated. Use some vasoline grease on them to help exclude water.

Check the switch. Spray some cleaner on it. WD-40 works in a pinch.

If this does not work, you may have a bigger problem. I am not certain where the wiring runs on an 18-OUTRAGE. It might be under the rubber insert of the rub rail.

tlynch posted 04-12-2003 12:15 AM ET (US)     Profile for tlynch  Send Email to tlynch     
Steve -

I rewired both of my lights last year on my 1985 Outrage 18.

If I can do it ... so can you!

If you do decide to replace the wiring, it runs out the bottom of the console, under the deck, under the starboard access panel on the deck, up behind the removable panel on the starboard side, and out through a hole and behind the rub rail. Removing the rub rail is not that big a deal. You start by removing the end cap on the transom. The insert then pulls out easily (Don't worry - it is not that hard to put back in!).

The insert runs under the cleat on the front of the boat. YOU DO NOT HAVE TO REMOVE THIS. If you take the rub rail off on both sides, you then can run the wire through the remaining part by sliding it through.

I would take a piece of the existing wire with you when you go to buy the new wire. From the starboard light aft, both wires must fit under the rub rail, if the insulation is too thick it will be tight getting the rail back on.

I developed a technique for inserting the insert. With two hands holding it you can press the sides of the rub rail together with your thumbs, then push it in to the rail, then slide your hands forward. It went quickly. I got terrible blisters.

Getting the wire under the floor and to the rail is actually harder than placing it under the rail. My wire up to that point was fine so I just used the existing wire. You could probably tie the wire off and pull new wire through.

Hope this helps,
Todd

sternman posted 04-12-2003 02:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for sternman  Send Email to sternman     
Thank you,gentlemen,for such detailed and timely replies.I hope JIMH's plan works,but if not I'm encouraged by TLYNCH's experience.
BabySitter posted 04-12-2003 08:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for BabySitter  Send Email to BabySitter     
Sternman,

I replaced my wiring last spring - as Todd says it is aggravating but not a complex job. You mentioned jiggling the switch ... If your lights have individual wires running all the way to the switch - could it be the switch?

JB

hooter posted 04-12-2003 09:22 AM ET (US)     Profile for hooter    
sternman, foist thing you said, about jigglin' the switch, suggests mebbe loose leads or a old corroded switch. Before you start pullin' wires, try tightenin' the switch leads and those on the block from the switch. If the problem remains, try removin' your light leads from the old pull switch and bypass the switch to see if the lights turn on strong and stay on. If yes, just replace your pull switch. If the intermittent problem persists when you've bypassed the switch, then you've mebbe got some wire pullin' to do. tlynch is right about the job. It takes a li'l time but is no biggie, mebbe four hours soup to nuts. Ah 've replaced all wiring on sev'ral Whalers, includin' mah current '86 OR 18'. Ah find a rubba mallet helpful when re-installin' the rub rail. Good luck. You can do it!
jimh posted 04-12-2003 09:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
If my memory is correct, I believe lhg had a similar problem on his 25-OUTRAGE, i.e., intermittent navigation lamp lighting.

It was resolved when he found that a screw or rivet had been installed wrong in the rub rail and was pinching the wire running to the bow. Over the years the wire had corroded and was now intermittent.

lhg posted 04-14-2003 05:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
JimH is almost correct. I had the same problem in my (coincidentally) 1989 Outrage.

For years, the port navigation light worked intermittently. I checked and replaced everything, including a new light socket, new switch, fuse holder, etc. Spending about 3 hours, and by process of elimination, I figured out that somewhere under the rubrail I had a problem. It turned out to be DEFECTIVE wire from BW. Inside the completely intact and NON-damaged sheath, about 5 feet from either cut end where the wire was good, about 1 foot of wire was corroded and turned into powder! I had lived with that bad light for about 11 years.

So I'm guessing a few hulls went out with bad wire, old stuff left over. Who knows.

This is the real reason why I have a new set of the famous Whaler marinium bow lights. I was convinced the light was bad, and they would only sell them in a set, for $150 no yet. So I bought the last set they had in stock, about 1997.

andygere posted 04-14-2003 05:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Larry, wouldn't you feel better knowing one of those NOS Marinium navigation lights was proudly doing its intended work on the bow of a Classic Whaler instead of gathering dust in a cozy box somewhere in your basement (hint, hint)? Since I already know the answer to that question, I wonder if there is enough demand or interest to get a Tom W. Clark-RPS-legs-type-effort together for getting a production run of the Marinium nav lamps started...
Ranjr13 posted 05-05-2006 12:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ranjr13  Send Email to Ranjr13     
This is the closest thread to my problem - just purchased a 1985 18' Outrage and one of the original nav lights is in pretty poor shape, and I don't want to go with what I've found so far for replacements.

Any ideas where I could find the closest things to the originals for both port and starboard lights? Sue even couldn't help me this time...Thanks...Bob

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