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Drisney posted 04-23-2003 01:25 PM ET (US)
Yesterday I took my V-22 Revenge out for it's first salmon trip. When I came back in I sprayed the liquid rollers on the bunks and let it dry. Previously my hull stuck to the bunks way too much and I had to back into the water way too far. Also the angle made the boat touch the trailer winch tower in such a manner that the "smirk" was damaged. The Liguid rollers worked very well!!! I was able to submerge only the end of the bunks and power onto the trailer very easily. My truck wheels were still on dry pavement....Not a salesman simply a very satisfied customer! Dave
John W posted 04-23-2003 05:43 PM ET (US)
I use the stuff & like it as well. But be careful...I've heard of stories on other boating boards where people have had their boat slide off the trailer & on to the ground because of liquid rollers...They back down the ramp with the bow unhooked & the boat slid right off due to the bunks being slicker than they're used to.
dfmcintyre posted 04-23-2003 09:06 PM ET (US)
I've posted this every season, but again it's worth repeating:
If anyone has been doing what I used to do, i.e. unhooking _then_ backing down....take my and John's comment and when you spray liquid roller or something similar (I use a can of silicone, fwiw), _DO_NOT_ unhook.
I played it safe, and turned the winch handle two rotations, and introduced some slack. When I was backing down, before I even got to the end of the ramp and had begun braking, I heard a "thunk" and corrosponding weight shift.
It makes _that_ much of a difference.
Don
andygere posted 04-23-2003 09:08 PM ET (US)
Dave, I'm glad to hear the Liquid Rollers worked for you. I swear by the stuff now that I have a big boat on a bunk trailer. More importantly, did you get any Salmon?
doobee posted 04-23-2003 10:28 PM ET (US)
Sounds like you guys have too much weight on your bunks. The weight should be on the keel rollers and the bunks should be balance points. When properly adjusted, you should be able to slide a coin between the hull and one of the bunks. This will greatly reduce the friction.
Liquid rollers work pretty well too.
Drisney posted 04-23-2003 11:49 PM ET (US)
I agree with you Doobee. My 17 Whaler 's weight was on the keel rollers and came off and on easily; my 13 is off and on easily....however my 22 doesn't even touch the rollers.....and I am not going to modify the trailer when a ten dollar can fixes my problem.. ;') And no I do not believe I am harming the hull. Dave
P.S. Andy, I had one solid hookup lost to a sea lion.
lhg posted 04-24-2003 12:06 AM ET (US)
I saw a guy launch his newly purchased 22 Revenge with twin engines right onto the textured concrete ramp, simply because he unknowlingly unhooked the winch on his keel roller trailer. I'll never forget that sound of fiberglass keel sliding down a brushed concrete surface. The boat survived with only abrasion damage to the keel. Most bystanders were amazed the boat didn't break up and lose the transom. It hit that hard, and he was lucky the engines were in full tilt.
But because of the keel rollers, we were actually able to winch the trailer back under the boat, without moving the boat any more.
When backing in, I don't even trust my yellow 10,000# capacity winch strap/mechanism, and also have a safety chain on the bow eye. The 25 rolls that easily off the trailer.
Sal DiMercurio posted 04-24-2003 12:30 AM ET (US)
As said above, the bunks are just to keep the boat from tilting, the rollers under the keel are supposed to support the weight of the boat.
Andy, Half Moon Bay is wide open, about 20 miles out.
A buddy of mine runs a party boat out of there, this morning 16 limits [ 32 fish ] by 10:00 :am, 1 at 30#, quite a few in the 20s & the rest in high teens.
Everything seems to be working, crow bar, apex, rsk, crocs, hoochies.
IT really dosen't get much better then this.
To bad our weather is turning to crap, rain & wind till maybe Sat, or Sun.
Sal
andygere posted 04-24-2003 09:03 AM ET (US)
I leave my chain on until there is water under my hull. The keel roller trailer under my Montauk is like a skateboard; the boat just glides right off.
Sal, I hope some of those fish come down into Monterey Bay. The bite in our waters has been sportatic. I've scratched up 3 fish for 3 trips, which is 9 fish short of limits.
Dave, with the thin fishing, it seems like the furbags are very aggressive. I have heard of many takeaways this season.
Salmon Tub posted 04-24-2003 08:05 PM ET (US)
Right now my Montauk sits on a Caulkins trailer (local manuf.). Came like that from the dealer. In order to launch, I have to back up quite far into the water. I back up until I see the stern float up an inch or so. By this time the water is at the bottom of the rear rims. Any less in the water and the boat requires a couple of mover's to push it off. The problem is simple, the tongue on the trailer is too short. I have toyed with the idea of using the liquid roller stuff, but don't want the boat to pitch on the ends of the bunks when launching and loading. Any comments on how far you back up when using the stuff with the Montauk and a float on?
triblet posted 04-24-2003 10:25 PM ET (US)
Kell rollers? Ain't got 'em. I use silicone
spray on the bunks a couple of times a year.
Anybody compared silicone spray to Liquid
Rollers, esp. for how long it lasts?
And I'll second the comment about not
unhooking. I USED TO unhook the winch strap
before backing down.
The first time I went to launch after I'd
sprayed with Silicone, there was a "thunk"
as the boat slid to the end of the chain.
I certainly don't have to back in until the
stern floats. The trick to getting the boat
to slide is to push the bow left-right. That
breaks the static friction and gravity takes
care of the fore-aft motion.

Chuck
unclesven posted 04-25-2003 12:48 AM ET (US)
I too have a Calkins trailer, and always get
wet launching our 17 Montauk. I don't care for the pivoting side rollers (for lack of a better term) which don't always guide the boat where you want it to go. Has anyone added bunks in addition to the center rollers
on a Calkins trailer?
Drisney posted 04-25-2003 02:40 AM ET (US)
SalmonTub, when things are working right; with any of my boats all I do is put the very ends of the bunks in water.just so my hull does not hit the bunk end. Then as the hull centers on the trailer I add power till I am sliding up the trailer. When I am close or bump the winch stand; I shut it down and raise the motor. then climb down and secure the bow......Dave
twoseao posted 06-11-2009 09:25 PM ET (US)
I have a 29' Proline Grand Sport which weighs about 9700 lbs. with a 9'8" beam. I have a duel axel Continental trailer which I was told it's the one for this boat.
We have no problem unloading the boat but when we need to load it back up.............OH BOY.
We dump the trailer pretty far into the water and we still have a time powering back up on.
Liquid Roller??? Would this help us out?
Thank-you very much for any help you can give.
HAPPY AND SAFE BOATING.............
Tarpun posted 06-12-2009 10:42 AM ET (US)
Try Pam cooking spray. It works great, it's cheap and it's green. You may want to try a small amount at a time. I used the Pam spray on the bunks of my 16's trailer because it wasn't sliding off easily. It worked too well. After spaying it on the boat just needed a little shove to launch. My normal mode of retreival when fishing by myself is to drive the whaler onto the trailer to the bow stop, kill and tilt the motor, walk forward lean over the bow and hook the saftey chain. Imagine my surprise when after driving boat on the trailer and killing the engine the boat just slid right back off the trailer. I had to repeat the procedure and leave the boat in gear to retreive her. The wet hull reduced the friction too much. I now spray lightly about once a year.
deepwater posted 06-12-2009 09:14 PM ET (US)
I replaced the keel rollers on my trailer with stoltz rollers and SS axles and im glad i kept the safety chain on ,,the montauk off loads its self
dino54904 posted 06-20-2009 02:16 AM ET (US)
I simply rub the carpet on the bunks with a bar of hand soap before I load the boat. Works great and if you use the little bars of soap you get at hotels its 'free'.

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Author	Topic: Liquid Rollers on bunks
Drisney	posted 04-23-2003 01:25 PM ET (US) Yesterday I took my V-22 Revenge out for it's first salmon trip. When I came back in I sprayed the liquid rollers on the bunks and let it dry. Previously my hull stuck to the bunks way too much and I had to back into the water way too far. Also the angle made the boat touch the trailer winch tower in such a manner that the "smirk" was damaged. The Liguid rollers worked very well!!! I was able to submerge only the end of the bunks and power onto the trailer very easily. My truck wheels were still on dry pavement....Not a salesman simply a very satisfied customer! Dave
John W	posted 04-23-2003 05:43 PM ET (US) I use the stuff & like it as well. But be careful...I've heard of stories on other boating boards where people have had their boat slide off the trailer & on to the ground because of liquid rollers...They back down the ramp with the bow unhooked & the boat slid right off due to the bunks being slicker than they're used to.
dfmcintyre	posted 04-23-2003 09:06 PM ET (US) I've posted this every season, but again it's worth repeating: If anyone has been doing what I used to do, i.e. unhooking _then_ backing down....take my and John's comment and when you spray liquid roller or something similar (I use a can of silicone, fwiw), _DO_NOT_ unhook. I played it safe, and turned the winch handle two rotations, and introduced some slack. When I was backing down, before I even got to the end of the ramp and had begun braking, I heard a "thunk" and corrosponding weight shift. It makes _that_ much of a difference. Don
andygere	posted 04-23-2003 09:08 PM ET (US) Dave, I'm glad to hear the Liquid Rollers worked for you. I swear by the stuff now that I have a big boat on a bunk trailer. More importantly, did you get any Salmon?
doobee	posted 04-23-2003 10:28 PM ET (US) Sounds like you guys have too much weight on your bunks. The weight should be on the keel rollers and the bunks should be balance points. When properly adjusted, you should be able to slide a coin between the hull and one of the bunks. This will greatly reduce the friction. Liquid rollers work pretty well too.
Drisney	posted 04-23-2003 11:49 PM ET (US) I agree with you Doobee. My 17 Whaler 's weight was on the keel rollers and came off and on easily; my 13 is off and on easily....however my 22 doesn't even touch the rollers.....and I am not going to modify the trailer when a ten dollar can fixes my problem.. ;') And no I do not believe I am harming the hull. Dave P.S. Andy, I had one solid hookup lost to a sea lion.
lhg	posted 04-24-2003 12:06 AM ET (US) I saw a guy launch his newly purchased 22 Revenge with twin engines right onto the textured concrete ramp, simply because he unknowlingly unhooked the winch on his keel roller trailer. I'll never forget that sound of fiberglass keel sliding down a brushed concrete surface. The boat survived with only abrasion damage to the keel. Most bystanders were amazed the boat didn't break up and lose the transom. It hit that hard, and he was lucky the engines were in full tilt. But because of the keel rollers, we were actually able to winch the trailer back under the boat, without moving the boat any more. When backing in, I don't even trust my yellow 10,000# capacity winch strap/mechanism, and also have a safety chain on the bow eye. The 25 rolls that easily off the trailer.
Sal DiMercurio	posted 04-24-2003 12:30 AM ET (US) As said above, the bunks are just to keep the boat from tilting, the rollers under the keel are supposed to support the weight of the boat. Andy, Half Moon Bay is wide open, about 20 miles out. A buddy of mine runs a party boat out of there, this morning 16 limits [ 32 fish ] by 10:00 :am, 1 at 30#, quite a few in the 20s & the rest in high teens. Everything seems to be working, crow bar, apex, rsk, crocs, hoochies. IT really dosen't get much better then this. To bad our weather is turning to crap, rain & wind till maybe Sat, or Sun. Sal
andygere	posted 04-24-2003 09:03 AM ET (US) I leave my chain on until there is water under my hull. The keel roller trailer under my Montauk is like a skateboard; the boat just glides right off. Sal, I hope some of those fish come down into Monterey Bay. The bite in our waters has been sportatic. I've scratched up 3 fish for 3 trips, which is 9 fish short of limits. Dave, with the thin fishing, it seems like the furbags are very aggressive. I have heard of many takeaways this season.
Salmon Tub	posted 04-24-2003 08:05 PM ET (US) Right now my Montauk sits on a Caulkins trailer (local manuf.). Came like that from the dealer. In order to launch, I have to back up quite far into the water. I back up until I see the stern float up an inch or so. By this time the water is at the bottom of the rear rims. Any less in the water and the boat requires a couple of mover's to push it off. The problem is simple, the tongue on the trailer is too short. I have toyed with the idea of using the liquid roller stuff, but don't want the boat to pitch on the ends of the bunks when launching and loading. Any comments on how far you back up when using the stuff with the Montauk and a float on?
triblet	posted 04-24-2003 10:25 PM ET (US) Kell rollers? Ain't got 'em. I use silicone spray on the bunks a couple of times a year. Anybody compared silicone spray to Liquid Rollers, esp. for how long it lasts? And I'll second the comment about not unhooking. I USED TO unhook the winch strap before backing down. The first time I went to launch after I'd sprayed with Silicone, there was a "thunk" as the boat slid to the end of the chain. I certainly don't have to back in until the stern floats. The trick to getting the boat to slide is to push the bow left-right. That breaks the static friction and gravity takes care of the fore-aft motion. Chuck
unclesven	posted 04-25-2003 12:48 AM ET (US) I too have a Calkins trailer, and always get wet launching our 17 Montauk. I don't care for the pivoting side rollers (for lack of a better term) which don't always guide the boat where you want it to go. Has anyone added bunks in addition to the center rollers on a Calkins trailer?
Drisney	posted 04-25-2003 02:40 AM ET (US) SalmonTub, when things are working right; with any of my boats all I do is put the very ends of the bunks in water.just so my hull does not hit the bunk end. Then as the hull centers on the trailer I add power till I am sliding up the trailer. When I am close or bump the winch stand; I shut it down and raise the motor. then climb down and secure the bow......Dave
twoseao	posted 06-11-2009 09:25 PM ET (US) I have a 29' Proline Grand Sport which weighs about 9700 lbs. with a 9'8" beam. I have a duel axel Continental trailer which I was told it's the one for this boat. We have no problem unloading the boat but when we need to load it back up.............OH BOY. We dump the trailer pretty far into the water and we still have a time powering back up on. Liquid Roller??? Would this help us out? Thank-you very much for any help you can give. HAPPY AND SAFE BOATING.............
Tarpun	posted 06-12-2009 10:42 AM ET (US) Try Pam cooking spray. It works great, it's cheap and it's green. You may want to try a small amount at a time. I used the Pam spray on the bunks of my 16's trailer because it wasn't sliding off easily. It worked too well. After spaying it on the boat just needed a little shove to launch. My normal mode of retreival when fishing by myself is to drive the whaler onto the trailer to the bow stop, kill and tilt the motor, walk forward lean over the bow and hook the saftey chain. Imagine my surprise when after driving boat on the trailer and killing the engine the boat just slid right back off the trailer. I had to repeat the procedure and leave the boat in gear to retreive her. The wet hull reduced the friction too much. I now spray lightly about once a year.
deepwater	posted 06-12-2009 09:14 PM ET (US) I replaced the keel rollers on my trailer with stoltz rollers and SS axles and im glad i kept the safety chain on ,,the montauk off loads its self
dino54904	posted 06-20-2009 02:16 AM ET (US) I simply rub the carpet on the bunks with a bar of hand soap before I load the boat. Works great and if you use the little bars of soap you get at hotels its 'free'.