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Bigshot posted 05-26-2003 10:01 AM ET (US)   Profile for Bigshot   Send Email to Bigshot  
Yup! Black as coal saturday night and I thought I already passed the famous piling my Buddy hit 2 years ago....NOPE! 20mph to zero in 1 foot. My fiberglass friend says he can repair it being it is just cosmetics. It hit just starboard of the bow chock and basically just folded back the corner of the bow. The bow railing is slightly bent where she hit, but the bow is pretty smacked up.

Rick(the fiberglass guy) told us what to do so yesterday we had at it. Took a sawzaw and basicall cut the right corner of the boat off from about the railing stantion to the norman pin. We then cut all the foam out of the top piece which is the inside. That is basicall from the norman rin down to the bow locker and directly over to the rail stantion. That part we cut and separated from the foam. The only other piece was the hull which again is from about the bow chock to the right railing stantion and as deep as about 5" under the smirk. This piece also came off as one piece but is more "shattered" than the top piece. We then removed the foam on that.

The foam(for Tom Clark) was white and clean and dry. A little brown by the bow light and norman pin.

With foam removed we will now either:
A) make a mold off my Newport(doubt it).

B) put the hull back together like a jigsaw puzzle but not as many pieces. We will get it in place and then use wood(waxed) to pull the glass into form then resin & glass the snot out of it. Once cured we will unbolt the waxed wood from the outer hull and start our fairing. The top deck(non skid is intact on corner) will then be laid back in and glassed. Holes will be drilled in the deck to pour liquid foam in once ready. Once foam cures the holes will be filled. Spectrum gel-coat will be used for now. If I am not satisfied with the match, I will consider awl-gripping the whole boat.

New rubrail(again) and reinstall railing with a new starboard pipe. Everything is basically cosmetic. The keel, chines etc are not compromised so no structural damage is there. Still gonna be a pain in the but but not as bad as my chest where it slammed into my steering wheel spinner(ouch).

Any suggestions on which type of foam to use etc would be appreciated. I do not want the foam to expand too much and distort our hard work. Does a 1989 welded bow rail come apart? I need to replace the one starboard pipe that goes from the center of the bow to the first T. My bud makes T-Tops so no biggie having it bent, etc but want to know if I need to cut and weld or just unbolt. The screws do NOT want to come out so I am just asking.

Can someone remind me what that rope is that I found in the foam? I remember reading about it here before and I want to say it is there so they can tell when the foam cured but not sure.

Dr T posted 05-26-2003 10:35 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dr T  Send Email to Dr T     
Ouch!

Was this the Montauk?

tds

hooter posted 05-26-2003 12:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for hooter    
Biggie, how far did you fly b'fore you hit the water? Ever'body ok? Sounds fortunate the Doc ain't cuttin' and pastin' you back t'gether today. Would pay big money t'have seen it... from a distance!
John O posted 05-27-2003 09:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for John O    
Glad to hear you are OK.
PMUCCIOLO posted 05-27-2003 10:25 AM ET (US)     Profile for PMUCCIOLO    
Contace Jimmy Sauliner @ 386-423-1189. He may be able to assist you.
Bigshot posted 05-27-2003 02:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
I did not fly at all.....the console got in my way:)
Dr T posted 05-27-2003 04:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dr T  Send Email to Dr T     
Did you use 5200 to hold it in place?:)
Kelly posted 05-27-2003 04:57 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kelly  Send Email to Kelly     
Bigshot,

Sorry to hear about that. Glad you are okay. It makes me hurt just to think about it. I hope the repair goes well.

Kelly

acseatsri posted 05-27-2003 07:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for acseatsri  Send Email to acseatsri     
Since no one seems to have asked the obvious... why were you going 20 knots in pitch black conditions with no lights?
hooter posted 05-27-2003 07:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for hooter    
Ah figger it's a case o' mebbe one beer over the line and a cracker with 'is hair on fire t'get somewheres. Ah sure been there. Just been lucky all these years. Them black creosote pilin's don't give much light back, even if you had a good flame a boinin' up top, there. Just real glad its just yer boat got banged up, Big.
NWflyfisher posted 05-27-2003 08:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for NWflyfisher    
20mph in pitch black?? I used to hold you in high esteem; now I realize you're a meer mortal, maybe less. What the hell were you thinking??
California Whaler posted 05-27-2003 10:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for California Whaler  Send Email to California Whaler     
Bigshot,

I've been there. Damn boats are just too much fun. Glad to hear you're just bruised. She'll be good as new.

Kelly

wayne baker posted 05-27-2003 10:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for wayne baker  Send Email to wayne baker     
Bigshot, glad you were not as busted up as the boat. I did a 20 to 0 on a sand bar a few years ago in a 14 McKee, though it seemed sudden I am sure the piling gave less than the sand bar. Did you see my post on the oak tree reaching out and grabing my console. I guess if we left them in the yard we would never have these acidents but that would not be very much fun.

Wayne B.

fno posted 05-28-2003 08:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for fno  Send Email to fno     
Nick, glad you are OK. Sad that your ride isn't. Don't listen to these wusses. Whalers only have two speeds: Stop and Go. Sounds like you used some judgement and only whacked the piling doing 20.
InHerNet posted 05-28-2003 09:28 AM ET (US)     Profile for InHerNet  Send Email to InHerNet     
Nick,
OUCH! Glad to hear you are ok. A guy in Boca Grand died a few weeks ago after hitting a piling and it was not dark, the report stated the sun was setting and the guy that died was on the bow where the driver could not see. The driver was a local that fished the area for years. It is easy to assume after you travel the same waters awhile. I use my light more than most people when running at night. Good luck with the repair.
Don
Bigshot posted 05-28-2003 11:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Strange situation. On the west side of the bridge it is lit up like daylight being all the restaurants and bridge lights. On the other side there is nothing and it was just darker than I thought. and these were the first set of markers that obviously were not "marked". I could see the flashing one ahead and thought that is the piling but I for got about the one I hit.....obviously. for you "experts" out there, don't judge until you have been there. 20mph is barely on plane and there were 3 boats in tandem, I just happened to stray about 2' too far to the left. Cockpit lights were most likely the culprit for blindness.
Dr T posted 05-28-2003 11:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for Dr T  Send Email to Dr T     
Maybe night vision goggles are in your future.

It takes about 30 minutes for your eyes to adjust to the dark after being exposed to light of even a short duration. The sudden night blindess can be a killer.

tds

Bigshot posted 05-28-2003 04:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
No doubt Doc :)

May have found a Newport about 2 hours away. Gonna see what gives with that. Newtauk conversion? Could swear I was gonna do that a few months ago. Deja Vue?

Dr T posted 05-28-2003 04:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dr T  Send Email to Dr T     
Did I just detect a pun in French with a couple of layers of meaning?

Hmmmm: A Boston Whaler Hull Transplant?

tds

floridasailor posted 05-28-2003 07:03 PM ET (US)     Profile for floridasailor  Send Email to floridasailor     
Speaking of hitting a piling !!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.sarasotasailingsquad.com/PhotoGallery.htm

See last pictures on web page.

First picture our sailboat.

Marshall Pardey
1996 19' Outrage II

Over the LINE posted 05-29-2003 09:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Over the LINE  Send Email to Over the LINE     
Nice to be first at the top mark, isn't it.
NEVER SCARED posted 05-29-2003 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for NEVER SCARED    
Although I didnt hit anything, I ran into thick fog one morning, to my right is a very shallow mud flat. I made the trip many times and thought I could follow my instinct. WRONG! When I saw the markers and realized I went too far right, I was doing WOT in literally 9 inches of water. When I shut the engine down, and the boat settled, my entire lower unit sank below the mud. With nothing to do till the tide came up, I threw out a shrimp trap, about 8" diameter, I could see it just under the surface!
BillB posted 05-29-2003 01:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for BillB  Send Email to BillB     
Never Scared,

Shrimp in the Gowanus???? ;)

Bill B

NWflyfisher posted 05-29-2003 07:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for NWflyfisher    
20mph may be barely on plane, but its still 30ft/second...not much time to make corrections in total blackout. Then again, I'm no expert and certainly can't judge as you said.
elaelap posted 05-29-2003 09:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for elaelap  Send Email to elaelap     
Bigshot,

You must be like that guy Horace talked about: "Illi robur et aes triplex circa pectus erat, qui fragilem truci commisit pelago ratem primus." --His breast must have been protected all round with oak and three-ply bronze, who first launched his frail boat on the rough sea.

Twenty mph to zero instantly...your pectus must really be sore, but consider the alternatives! Glad you're OK, bud.

Tony

Bigshot posted 06-01-2003 11:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
My bud was doing 30+ in daylight on his waverunner and hit a sandbar. Ski stopped dead and he weht THROUGH the handlebars into the water....out cold. Hurt for 6 months. I am not that beat up but it hurts.
Gene in NC posted 06-02-2003 08:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gene in NC  Send Email to Gene in NC     
Do you plan to brace the hull to reduce risk of foam distorting the repair? Deck would seem to be greatest exposure. Undestand that whaler factory has elaborate dies to maintain shape in original foaming.

Ask question because I have about eight square feet to refoam in port side of Sakonnet from transom forward.

Bigshot posted 06-03-2003 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bigshot  Send Email to Bigshot     
Repair is not that extensive, just gona have to be careful on amount of foam we use. Maybe muliple applications, i don't know, up to the bodyman. She goes in tonight and I will take pics etc along the way. Glass guy says....dontworryaboutit!

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