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JFM posted 07-12-2003 11:49 AM ET (US)   Profile for JFM   Send Email to JFM  
Last year I purchased an old set of standard side decals for my 1964 Nauset. I finally applied then last night in the barn in bad lighting. Looking at them in good light this morning they have a few wrinkles and some small bubbles.

What should I do? Try to peal them off and re-apply or attack them with an exacto knife.

Thanks, Jay

whalerdude posted 07-12-2003 11:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalerdude  Send Email to whalerdude     
They are cheap so heat them up with a hair dryer, peel them off and put the new ones on.

Whalerdude

Whalerdan posted 07-13-2003 05:34 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdan  Send Email to Whalerdan     
Just in case you don't know. Next time spray the area you're going to apply the decals with window cleaner before you apply them. Don't wipe it off before you apply. This will allow you to reposition the decal and swipe out all the bubbles. When the window cleaner will drys up and the sticker will properly adhered, and hopefully straight.

Everytime I try to apply a sticker without doing the above I always kick myself as there are always bubbles and misalignments.

Danny

Jarhead posted 07-13-2003 09:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jarhead  Send Email to Jarhead     
If all has gone well with the exception of a bubble or two a small pin prick in the center of the bubble will allow the trapped air to escape.

Just work the bubble from the outside to the pin hole.

Whalerdans' idea of using window cleaner sounds intriguing. Anyone else tried it?

peetmin posted 07-13-2003 11:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for peetmin  Send Email to peetmin     
Yep- It works great, some people will use a squeegee (sp?) and start at one end and work the air and bubbles to the other end.
JFM posted 07-14-2003 08:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for JFM  Send Email to JFM     
What kind of window cleaner is used, Windex?

Also, how wet should the surface be when you apply the decal?

Thanks, Jay

SpeedBump posted 07-14-2003 09:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for SpeedBump  Send Email to SpeedBump     
Whalerdan is the man on this one, windex works well, thoroughly clean the area first then spray a light mist on the surface to apply the decals to. I have found a credit card works very well to squeegee out the decal.

Have seen professional glass men use this in applying vinyl signage to doors and windows and have tried it my self. works perfectly.

Gep posted 07-14-2003 09:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
I've always used a spray bottle with water and a couple drops of dishwashing soap.
Otherwise Whalerdans method works just fine.
Mike
Kolbert posted 07-14-2003 10:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for Kolbert  Send Email to Kolbert     
JFM,

Once the vinyl cut decals have been applied and fully pressed on, the only thing to do it strip and re-apply. As was described earlier, a pin prick in the bubble will allow the air to escape if you work it from the outside in. For the wrinkles, you can use a hair dryer to heat up the vinyl which will make it shrink slightly and then work it over with a hard, flat edge.

On the water application, you must be careful and squeegee ALL of the water out. Vinyl is an impervious material. Any air (see above) or water will not be able to get out from behind the vinyl. The water will eventually turn to vapor which will expand the size of the bubble and lead to stretch or cold cracking.

A stiff credit card is your best bet for a small decal, unless you have access to a professional squeegee.

I previously described the hinge method for applying decals. This is based upon having a vinyl cut decal with a "mask" over the cut vinyl.

- Place small pieces of masking tape along the top edge of the decal.
- Temporarily tape decal in place
- Make accurate measurements, measure again for accuracy and then measure a third time to make sure the first two were correct
- Place two strips of wide masking tape vertically down the middle of the decal, go several inches over on the top and bottom to lock the decal down to the surface
- The decal is now separated into 2 halves
- Start on either side and use a marker (not a permanent one) to make small"tick" marks on the top and bottom of the decal near the outside corners. Start on the decal masking and let the mark ride over onto the hull surface, these will act as your guides for the next step.
- Pull the outer edge of either side of the decal away from the surface, pull the backing away from the decal to expose the adhesive surface
- Cut away the backing material close to the "hinge"
- Gently pull the decal back to the "tick" marks, using the hinge as a fulcrum (don't yank or pull the decal too hard or the hinge weill release)
- Line up the tick marks from the masking to the boat surface
- Squeegee down that side of the graphic
- Make tick marks on the other half and repeat the proceedure
- Pull off the premask, re-squeegee and pop bubbles

Graphic installed just like the pros!

Draftmanswife posted 07-14-2003 12:37 PM ET (US)     Profile for Draftmanswife  Send Email to Draftmanswife     
Install in like the pro's:)...Use water and dish detergent, not window cleaner...The clearner will break down the acrylic adheasive, and the dish det, will not. Use a "china marker", or a grease pencil to mark your spot. Kolbert, can I have those directions to send to my customers?:):) Pretty good! Use a pin to take out any bubbels. You can also heat up the vinyl just alittlebit, and try to smooth out the wrinkels. Bummer JFM, If this doesn't work, give a call, and I'll get you out a new set,
Regards,
Janis
Kolbert posted 07-15-2003 05:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for Kolbert  Send Email to Kolbert     
Janis,

Be my guest to distribute my install outline. Not like we are taking money out of the pros pockets for a few decals, versus a big fleet job.

A quick note on my install outline. This obviously wouldn't work with a wet application, only for a dry install.

Austin

Whalerdan posted 07-16-2003 07:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Whalerdan  Send Email to Whalerdan     

Not to dispute anyone but I've applied many, many stickers using window cleaner and never had a problem with adhesion. I could see where it might happen, but like I said, I've never had it happen to me.

Just seems easier to grab a bottle of window cleaner off the shelf than go make soapy water.

Draftmanswife posted 07-21-2003 07:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Draftmanswife  Send Email to Draftmanswife     
Your right WhalerDan! I guess it's just a peeve of mine, since I install these, every day.
Austin, TRUE:)

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