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'89 Outrage 18 Questions
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posted 08-19-2003 10:09 AM ET (US)
Hope this is the right forum to post. Didn't quite seem to fit in General or Marketplace.
Iím looking at an í89 Outrage 18 to purchase and was wondering if there are any specific things that I should be looking for with this hull.
From the topside the hull appears to be in pretty good condition. A few stress cracks, chalking of the gelcoat, etc. No signs of blistering, delamination or soft areas on the deck. The boat is currently and has been moored during the summers for the past ten years. Itíll be coming out of the water onto its trailer so I can get a good look at the hull and give a few taps with the plastic hammer. The hull has bottom paint which I understand has been repainted yearly. The splash well drain sits just above the water Ė donít know if thatís a good sign or not.
The wood is in serious need of refinishing and restoration. Very few add-ons or accessories. Just the basic Outrage with factory installed stuff.
The boat is powered with an í89 Johnson 150 with the oil injecton. Talking with the owner, it seems that the motor has been well maintained. Fogged and lubricants changed yearly. The water pump has been replaced. Either going to take it to a mechanic or at minimum check the compression. Wondering what the specs are on compression.
Iíve read JimHís articles on purchasing a classic whaler and trailer. Did some searches on the site for relevant information etc. If anyone could direct me to a specific thread Iíd appreciate it along with any comments. Just refinished the mahogany in my 15í Sport so Iíve got a handle on the time, expense and more time involved with the wood. Havenít done any real gelcoat or glass repairs so a little weak in that area.
Something I need to put more thought into is whether the Outrage is the most appropriate boat for the type of boating I do. Time is pretty well divided between fishing, towing kids on wake boards and just cruising. Would like to do some overnight or week-end trips. Seems like itíd be nice to have a boat dedicated to each specific use. A sign of latent Whaleritis? Maybe a Dauntless, Revenge? Whatever it is I need to be able to handle it on a trailer and storage is a problem. Only so many boats you can get into a garage and driveway. Maybe the Laser needs a new owner.
Again, Iíd appreciate any thoughts, comments or direction that anyone would like to give. Great site, been away from it for awhile. Too involved with the daily routines and not enough time on the water.
posted 08-19-2003 09:51 PM ET (US)
Having just bought a used 1991 19" Outrage earlier this summer, I can tell you a few things I would look at (some I've learned since buying.)
Without much gear in the boat, and only 4 people, I get a few inches of water in the splash well, so I think your observation of the drain holes being just above the water line is consistent with my experience (I also have a 150hp). Check the drain tubes, cracking, etc could indicate possible water intrusion.
Check the sump area, including reaching your hand inside and feeling around. I found barnicles in mine, indicating the boat had been left in the water with the drain out. No big deal, but made me want to pay special attention the condition of the fuel tank (if water in the bildge, it's probably also in the tank cavity, and cable channel) You should open ALL the inspection ports and look around.
If the owner won't think your crazy for doing it, hand wash the boat...you'll find every cosmetic flaw in doing so!
Ask for records on the engine maint, or ask who the mechanic was, and call him. I found out that my water pump hadn't been changed since new (12 years ago). Gave me cause for pause, as I knew the previous owner had an "open checkbook" on maintainance.
you mentioned poor wood condition. Wood and upholstery are no big deals, just labor or money to make new. The good news is, what you see is what you get, and you can assume the any wood backing for upholstery (seats, etc) are rotten. If not, it'll be a pleasant surprise.
This is actually the 3rd 18/19 Outrage I've owned. The first two were in partnership, so I didn't pay as much attention as I have with this one. I can only tell you that I would not have bought ANY OTHER MODEL (and money was not a constraint). IMHO, and for my lifestyle: easy, one man, dry, economical, great residual value, functionality...I love this model! You'll see they are hard to find...a testimony to their value. FYI...I use mine for diving the reefs off Miami and the Key's and running around Florida bay. Hope to use it skiing with my unborn child in years to come b/c it's a great family boat.
posted 08-20-2003 02:23 AM ET (US)
Ditto what Tom said. I've had my 1988 model for 3 years now, and it's still worth what I paid for it. It's great for just putting around or going clamming in a foot of water or going 30 miles offshore (with the company of another boat!). For an 18' boat, it rides quite gently.
That's probably the ideal age- the significant depreciation has already taken place, yet the fuel tank, teak, and hull should still be quite sound, and the floor is removeable on the classic models if ever there is a problem. The only drawback is that that particular motor is a gas guzzler compared to newer engines, being a crossflow design vs the newer loop charged engines (mine is 1 year older but same engine). Feeding it fuel is cheaper than replacing it if it is running well.
If it's in decent shape and the price is fair, don't procrastinate too long- it'll be gone if you do. 18 Outrages are hard to find. Usually the first person who looks at it will buy it.
posted 08-20-2003 09:49 AM ET (US)
Of course I am biased toward the 18 Outrages (mine is an '89 that had an '89 Evinrude 150) but I don't think you could be looking at a better boat for how you say you will use it. Mine gets used for flats fishing (w/push pole & trolling motor), offshore fishing (>50 miles out!), waterskiing (6 people in the boat and still gets up a slalom skier), and cruising (ICW).
Regarding the motor, it is very. But, it is a strong runner. I got about 600 additional hours out of my engine before it finally kicked out (bought the boat 12/2001). The previous owner didn't know how many hours it had on before he bought it so total hours was unknown. But, compression was around 85 psig in each cylinder when I got it. I used to run it fairly hard too.
I believe you will defintely enjoy this hull! Good luck with it!
posted 08-20-2003 10:00 AM ET (US)
I have a 1987 18' Outrage, and I use it for fishing in salt and fresh water and day cruising, for which its performs supberbly. However overnight trips may not be very comfortable in terms of space and protection from the elements. I think you would need a cuddy and a few extra feet of bow space to accomplish that. Mike
posted 08-20-2003 08:57 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the input everybody.
We're set up to take a sea trial and closer look this week-end.
Been doing some more searches on the site - engine, vro, etc. Alot of information out there.
The boat is a freshwater boat so that may help with some issues. Questioning the bottom paint. It'd probably be a good idea to remove the inspection hatches while the boat's still in the water. It's moored uncovered and I'd like to get a good idea where the water's been sitting and potential problems. Get in there and feel around. Finger tips reveal alot of things that the eye doesn't see.
My 78 Sport has a Johnson 70 that's been a good motor. Checked the compression on it this spring and had 150 psi in all three cylinders. Don't know about the VRO on the 150. Seems like more mechanical things to go wrong but the motor has a good reputation.
Have to try to evaluate the space available under canvas. One drawback is that there isn't a head for the ladies. To get into that I think I'd have to go to something over 20'. More than I want to mess with on a trailer.
Still need to be able to use it by myself but want to be able to use it with 4 to 5 other people. Used to wedge 4 people, two dogs and gear into the 15. That was cramped to say the least.
Thanks again for the comments, direction and thoughts.
posted 08-24-2003 03:01 PM ET (US)
Took the OR out for a test run and thourough inspection today. Hull seems sound, just a few blisters and a few stress cracks inside. Seems pretty typical for the age. Smooth running. Handles a little diferently than the 15. Based on what the mechanic says this week should have a deal. Trying to stay objective.
posted 09-02-2003 10:26 PM ET (US)
Looks like I have a deal on the OR. Motor checked out fine. Gave the owner a deposit and will pick it up in a couple of weeks. Gives me some time to plan how I want to set it up and research the restoration. Only thing non factory is a radio and some speakers so there isn't alot of reworking of prior modifications. I'm looking forward to this as a winter project. Should have it in plenty of time for the fall colors up here.
Thanks again for the input and recommendations.
posted 09-03-2003 02:37 PM ET (US)
Congratulations Paul you made a good choice! I just bought my '82 18 Outrage a couple of weeks ago and am already working on restoration. Mine doesn't have bottom paint but does need the wood trim refinished. I also have an older 150 -'85 Merc with a stainless prop. These boats are great for large water - lakes, bays and close offshore fishing. Mine will go 50 mph +, so skiing or cruising is no problem. Not sure how many hours are on the motor but it's still going strong, even with compression on one cylinder at 96. After having fished for years in 16's and 17's, the 18 Outrage is a welcome change. More room, handles rough water better and still launches and tows easy. I may have finally found my perfect whaler! Good luck and enjoy, Brian
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