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whalersman posted 10-13-2003 02:46 PM ET (US)   Profile for whalersman   Send Email to whalersman  
I am getting ready to install Springfield Swivel Seats in my Outrage 18.
The pedestals are the round style base with the 6 hole bolt pattern.

Can someone give me two measurements?
1. From the console to the front of the round pedestal base
2. The distance apart, from inside edges of the round pedestals bases

I would like to have a couple of people respond just to see if there is a difference from boat to boat...

Thanks,
Joe

2ndWhaler posted 10-13-2003 06:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for 2ndWhaler  Send Email to 2ndWhaler     
Whalersman, just took some measurements. It will be interesting to see if they agree with others. Distance from console to front of pedestal base is 20 inches, and distance apart, from inside edges of the round pedestl base is 13 7/8 inches.
whalersman posted 10-13-2003 06:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
2ndWhaler,

Thanks, that is a big help...

I had dimensions for installing the Wise seat with the 8 bolt hole pattern and it isn't too much different then your measurements. I won't post those measurements here as to not confuse myself or anyone else.

It would be great to get a few people to give us their dimensions to see if there is any difference between pedestal placement from boat to boat.

Thanks again,
Joe

whalersman posted 10-15-2003 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Does anyone else have the time to measure the seat placement???

Thanks,

Joe

whalersman posted 10-21-2003 01:00 AM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
2ndWhaler,

Please disregard this as you were very helpful....

For all the rest of you Outrage Owners:

I just want to thank all the rest of you Outrage Owners for the great responses you have given here... You have made everything about this site worthwhile and very helpful... If you ever need any help from me, just let me know... I will respond someday when I get a chance or feel like it...

I hope your life isn't too busy and you get all the help you need from anyone at anytime...

Thanks for nothing......

Gep posted 10-21-2003 10:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Whalersman,
I would have responded, but I have the 8 bolt pattern and it sounded like you already have those dimensions.
If you want my dimensions just to get a consensus I would be happy to measure mine for you.

On a side note: I have never liked the way my seats are mounted as the sides hit each other when trying to swivel them. But that's where they were always mounted so I left them there.

Mike

whalersman posted 10-21-2003 01:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Gep,

You were the only one kind enough to post your measurements of the Wise seats in another thread when I asked the question of the placement of the 8 bolt hole pattern pedestals... Thank you..

I had mentioned this above in my second post but didn't want to get these dimensions mixed up with the thread here on the Springfield 6 bolt hole pattern pedestal..

Your seat placement in acutally a little further apart then 2ndWhalers.
The difference in the two pedestals is not that much. The Springfield pedestal is 9" in diameter and totally "Round" and the Wise is more of an Octogon shape and is 9 3/8" from the outside flat edges.. Not that much difference..

I was hoping to get a few more people to most their measurements here but I guess no one else has Captains Chairs in their Outrages or they just don't want to take the time and help...

I am surprised that you say your seats hit when swiveling... I don't have mine fastened down but do have them marked on the floor and when I rotate the seats, they don't hit in either direction...
They may hit if the seats are moved forward or backward on the slider though. I haven't tried this and this is one of the reasons I would like to see the other dimensions other people might have..

Thanks again Gep and 2ndWhaler....

Joe

BabySitter posted 10-21-2003 04:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for BabySitter  Send Email to BabySitter     
I'm picking my 18 up today for a fishing trip - it has the 8 bolt bases I believe. I'll measure tonight and post as soon as I can. My seats bump when swiveling.

JB

whalersman posted 10-22-2003 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
OK,

Here is what I have so far...

1. 20" from console and 13 7/8" apart - Springfield
2. 17 3/8" from console and 14 1/2" apart - Wise
3. 20 1/4" from console and 14 3/4" apart - Wise

It appears as though Whaler did not use a pattern layout to install the Swivel Seats..

I am including the measurements for both the Springfield 6 bolt hole pedestal and the Wise 8 bolt hole pedestal as the pedestal bases are not that much different in diameter..

Anyone else care to contribute information about the placement of their Swivel Seats??? All input would be much appreciated by me and anyone else wanting to install Swivel Seats in the future...

Thanks to the 3 people above that have contributed...

Joe

BabySitter posted 10-23-2003 08:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for BabySitter  Send Email to BabySitter     
Not about swivel seats, but ... a Montauk I bought new in '93 had the RPS installed slightly crooked, shipped that way from the Rockland, Mass plant. Maybe seat placement is low on the quality control list ?
whalersman posted 10-23-2003 02:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
I wasn't going to mention that here either but now that you have, here is my story on my 1978 Montauk RPS...

My RPS was installed 1" further back on the Starboard side then the Port side. It was so crooked looking that I had to drill new holes...

After straightening the RPS I found out the console was also crooked..
Fortunately, I took all my measurements from the Stern and the Bow Locker to make everything straight again...

Obviously Whaler didn't have much quality control in that area or maybe the seats in your Montauk & Mine were installed late Friday afternoon....

Joe

onlyawhaler posted 10-24-2003 01:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Hey Joe,

I'd go out and measure, but my seat is a reversable.

By the way, how are those screw/bolds anchored to hold those Springfield seats down. Are they through bolted or are they pointed stainless screw that sink into a backing plate under the deck?

Hope it goes well

Sterling

whalersman posted 10-24-2003 07:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Sterling,

The screws are the same for the Swivel Seats as they are for the RPS with the exception of maybe the length... The Floor is 1" thick and there is a decal that says "Do Not Drill" deeper then 1" in the floor area...

No backing on the Classics... Just pointy screws.... If I ever have to pull the floor, I think I would put a SS or Aluminum backing plate for the seats...

Joe

onlyawhaler posted 10-25-2003 03:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Thanks for the reply Joe,

I have never undone the screws on my RPS and wondered how they were put in. I have been thinking about pulling the seat this winter (comming) and buying some teak 1 inch stock and cutting out matching footprint patterns on my Shopsmith to lift things up bit. It would help me.

It is amazing the stress those swivel Springfield seats must take and not pull out, not being reinforced. Must be a whaler.

On a side note, I've done somthing to my 18 that has for me worked out really great. I like to flyfish off the front and standing all the time is tiring. I can cast alot longer than I can stand up. I found on Ebay 6 months ago a 18 outrage front anchor hatch. What are the chances of that?

I found and bought 2 era vintage correct Springfield swivel seats, removed my original anchor hatch, stored it away and drilled, reinforced with large stainess washer and mounted that seat to the Ebay front hatch . I got new seat covers from Halls and it is great, great, great! I anchor and either stand or sit and cast.

It is suprising that it is, by far, the favorite seat in the boat when I take my daughters or anyone. (except when rough)

It is a bass boat effect, doesn't look vintage original, but really a functional change and I didn't ruin my origional hatch.

Sterling

onlyawhaler posted 10-25-2003 03:33 AM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Thanks for the reply Joe,

I have never undone the screws on my RPS and wondered how they were put in. I have been thinking about pulling the seat this winter (comming) and buying some teak 1 inch stock and cutting out matching footprint patterns on my Shopsmith to lift things up bit. It would help me.

It is amazing the stress those swivel Springfield seats must take and not pull out, not being reinforced. Must be a whaler.

On a side note, I've done somthing to my 18 that has for me worked out really great. I like to flyfish off the front and standing all the time is tiring. I can cast alot longer than I can stand up. I found on Ebay 6 months ago a 18 outrage front anchor hatch. What are the chances of that?

I found and bought 2 era vintage correct Springfield swivel seats, removed my original anchor hatch, stored it away and drilled, reinforced with large stainess washer and mounted that seat to the Ebay front hatch . I got new seat covers from Halls and it is great, great, great! I anchor and either stand or sit and cast.

It is suprising that it is, by far, the favorite seat in the boat when I take my daughters or anyone. (except when rough)

It is a bass boat effect, doesn't look vintage original, but really a functional change and I didn't ruin my origional hatch.

Sterling

whalersman posted 10-25-2003 02:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Sterling,

Great idea to raise the RPS.... I would suggest a solid 2" piece of teak..
I am 5'11" tall and I raised mine 2".... Much better and you can fit taller things under the RPS...

Some people have even raised theirs 4" but I would at minimum, start with 2".. You could always add another 2" if you wanted and of course, a solid 4" piece of teak would be expensive and very hard to find so the riser should be made is 2 pieces if raising it 4"...

Good idea on the front seat also... I have wanted to add a 3rd pedestal seat there too, but I don't want to drill the hatch either... Maybe I will start looking for an extra hatch...

Joe

onlyawhaler posted 10-25-2003 08:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Joe,

Would you make the 2"spacer the exact outline of the footprint of the RPS or a plank effect?

Thanks
Sterling

onlyawhaler posted 10-25-2003 08:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for onlyawhaler  Send Email to onlyawhaler     
Joe,

Would you make the 2"spacer the exact outline of the footprint of the RPS or a plank effect?

Thanks
Sterling

BabySitter posted 10-27-2003 04:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for BabySitter  Send Email to BabySitter     
Sterling,

You have two swivel seats on the locker lid ? Is the lid hinged or loose ?

Sounds like a great setup !

Joe,

I always found it hard to believe my RPS was that crooked given Whaler's reputation for exhaustive quality control in other areas. Your tale is interesting ... maybe out boats were completed on the same Monday morning ...

JB

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