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RCS posted 10-19-2003 08:45 PM ET (US)   Profile for RCS   Send Email to RCS  
Anybody added hinges to the two big bow lockers on a 20 or 22 outrage? I was thinking about adding them along one side similar to the ones on the two smaller lockers on either side. I suppose there must have been some good reason for BW not to have put them in to start with but I don't see it. It can be a pain to have to set the whole lid to one side or to have to hold it open while you get whatever it is you're after in one of those lockers.
While I'm at it, the locker lids seem to have had some type of rubber or plastic bumper at each of the corners that might have been a bumper or gasket. Am I guessing right?
Thanks
lhg posted 10-19-2003 11:29 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
By 1989 model boats, BW WAS hinging the forward anchor locker cover, on the starboard side. They used a 3 hole/2 hole hinge, the two hole side into the hull, and the 3 hole side though-bolted though the cover, using tee-nuts on the inside of the cover. I retro-fitted the bow locker cover of my 18 outrage with this detail, copied form the bow cover detail on my 25 Outrage.

To the best of my knowledge, the bigger deep well cover has never been hinged.

kurtgru posted 10-20-2003 07:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for kurtgru  Send Email to kurtgru     
I just purchased a 1986 20' Outrage on which the previous owner hinged the two lockers together. The hinge attaches to the "rear" of the forward bow locker and attaches to the "front" of bow locker that is just aft of it. It seems to work. Not sure if I will keep it that way or move it to the side as Ihg mentions. Let me know if you want any pictures.

Thanks,

kurt

RCS posted 10-20-2003 08:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for RCS  Send Email to RCS     
Thanks for the tips. I'll probably put them along the side as LHG mentioned. I would think about three should do it. Kurt, that sounds like a pretty good set up to hinge both lockers. Speaking of that bow anchor locker, does whaler sell a bracket to hold a danforth anchor in place?
Is a tee-nut the same as a nylon lock nut?
lhg posted 10-20-2003 08:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
RCS - The Whaler hinge detail only uses two of these hinges, and the nut on the bottom surface of the cover is a BARREL NUT, not a tee nut.. I mis-spoke. The barrel nuts are necessary for the cover to close properly and not hit the drain lip in the well. Looking in the West Marine catalog the hinge looks like part #2664951, with shortside on hull side (hinges on starboard angled side of hatch).

West also has the barrel nuts.

RCS posted 10-20-2003 09:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for RCS  Send Email to RCS     
Thanks LHG, I had not considered that the leg of the hinge would not be long enough to clear the gutter lip. I will check out the barrel nuts and be sure to get short enough bolts to not project past the nuts.
Thanks again, I figure ya'll saved me at least 2 or 3 trips back and fourth to West Marine.
whalersman posted 10-20-2003 10:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
I have been waiting to install the hinges I bought for the Bow Locker and install them over the winter...

Perko made many things for Whaler, so my choice was the Perko No. 987 Shortside hinge... These hinges are Chrome Plated Bronze and are 1 1/2" x 2 1/4"... It also calls for #6 screws...

Now my question to lhg, and anyone else, what is the size of the bolts that go through the locker cover that have barrel nuts:

Question:
What size are the 2 machine bolts (include length) and the Barrel Nuts????

Obviously these are not #6 screws.... The three #6 screws are for the solid side of the bow platform which brings up another question...

Question:
How long are these three #6 screws????

I have seen these hinges on newer Whalers like the Outrage 17 and the ones that I have seen have been installed on the Port side... I think Whaler might have discovered that it is a "Right Hand" world and changed the mounting postion of the hinges as such... I know that the earlier Outragse with hinges were installed on the Starboard side, but these seems aukward to me... The only person that wants to lift a heavy anchor out of the locker with their left hand would be a left hander...
Therefore, I am installing my hinges on the Port side...

Right Hand Joe
Whatever Floats Your Boat

RCS posted 10-21-2003 08:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for RCS  Send Email to RCS     
Whalersman,
On my 1988 20', there are hinges on the two smaller lockers to the port and starboard sides. I have not looked yet but I am thinking all I have to do is duplicate the hinges, screws, nuts, and bolts that are on those smaller lockers. Don't know if you have the same locker arrangement.
whalersman posted 10-21-2003 01:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
RCS,

The Outrage 18's just have 1 Bow Locker, nothing else... Whaler started putting hinges on these lockers sometime around 1988 or 1989 as lhg mentions... There may be some variations on this time stamp...

I am familiar with the Outrage 20, 22, and 25's as these larger Outrages have 1 Bow Locker and 3 other lockers aft of the Bow Locker... Very nice arrangement and very usefull for storage of any kind including Fish...

Let us know what kind of hinges you go with and what size of the bolts, barrel nuts and screws you eventually use...

Joe

lhg posted 10-21-2003 03:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I would say the hinge screws and barrel nuts are #8's?
They are the same size as used on the side locker covers for 20-25's. The screw length has to be measured so as to not come out the bottom of the hatch thickness and is limited by the closed end, flush barrel nut. Perko hinges could very well be what Whaler used OEM.
whalersman posted 10-22-2003 03:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
lhg,

You are correct.... My package was a little blurry on the screw size... I thought it said #6 but looking at it with a magnifying glass it is definitely #8...

I bought Six #8 Oval Head Phillips SS screws today that are 1" long. These are for the solid side of the locker....

All I need now is Four of the 8-32 Oval Head Phillips SS Machine Screws and Four 8-32 Barrell Nuts.. I am not sure about the length on these but will find out once I get the Barrel nuts and/or measure the thickness of the Bow Locker at installation point....

Joe

lhg posted 10-22-2003 07:13 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Joe, on my 25 with the factory hinged bow locker cover, the 3-screw side of the hinge goes on the cover, so you need 6 of each. The 2-screw side of the hinge goes on the hull side.

The barrel nut side of the cover needs to be drilled out a larger diameter than the screw side. The barrel nut shank is about 3/8" to 1/2" long. Installed, the barrel nut looks like large headed phillips screw.

whalersman posted 10-22-2003 07:21 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Thanks Larry,

I'm sure glad I haven't drilled anything yet... I could have sworn the hinges were the other way around... I will get Six of the Barrel nuts a Machine screws then...

Joe

lhg posted 10-23-2003 02:38 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Joe, now you've got me worried that I'm getting senile. I will go over and check on the boat tonight, and report back here with a DEFINITIVE answer.
lhg posted 10-24-2003 12:35 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Joe, you were correct, the short side of the hinge goes on the locker cover. Actually, when looking at the boat, it becomes obvious, as the smooth edge of the cover is only wide enough to accomodate the short side of the hinge. I'm sorry about the confusing information.

If you need the hinge locations, let me know and I can measure the factory dimensions.

whalersman posted 10-25-2003 01:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalersman  Send Email to whalersman     
Larry,

I ran across a couple of photos I had of hinges and tried to email them to you yesterday using your old email address but you have changed your email address...

Anyway, the photos did show the hinges mounted with 2 screws in the hatch and 3 on the solid side...

Thanks for checking...

Joe

RCS posted 03-08-2004 06:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for RCS  Send Email to RCS     
I am resurecting this thread as I am finally getting around to adding these hinges. It was not as easy as just picking up the West Marine catalogue to order the chrome over brass hinges but that's another story. With some help from Sue at Twin Cities Marine I found a pair at a reasonable price. However, after mounting (thru bolting) the hinges to the deck frontlocker cover it dawned on me that I should confirm that there is plywood in the deck up around the front bow locker. The wood location diagram I have confirmed there is not any wood and this was seconded by Chuck Bennett at Boston Whaler. Refusing to take no for an answer (and with a tip from Twin Cities) I'm planning to drill pilot holes for the mounting screws and fill with either 5200 or polyester resin and fiberglass fiber (aka "kitty hair"), letting this cure, and then screwing the hinges down into those pilot holes.
Just thought I would mention this to anybody considering adding hinges in that area. It had not dawned on me that there would not be wood backing under the deck until I was ready to drill the holes. I think LHG had mentioned that his 25 foot Outrage came with hinges on that locker. I suppose that model may have had wood backing up at that area of the deck.
LHG posted 03-08-2004 07:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
The hinges simply screw into the glass with self tapping screws, and hold well. Don't worry about it. Nothing else is needed. I added these hinges to my 18 Outrage with no further problems. this is alight duty application, and the inner glass boat shell is strong enough for the load.
RCS posted 03-08-2004 09:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for RCS  Send Email to RCS     
As usual, I think you are probably right Larry. Think I'll just screw em down and go. I could always use the 5200 or resin method if the screws ever did work loose.
Man those new hinges do look shiny next to the 15 year old ones! The chrome is wearing off the ones on the two small lockers....
Now...off to obsess over some other boat project.
Rob
kamie posted 03-09-2004 01:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Rob,
Which hinges did you go with?
RCS posted 03-09-2004 09:10 AM ET (US)     Profile for RCS  Send Email to RCS     
They are the same hinges that came on my boat for the smaller lockers. They are Perko "short side hinges", Chrome over bronze. #987 001 CHR. I can tell you the little suckers are not cheap. About $35/pair. Twin Cities marine bought 5 or 6 sets when they ordered mine so I know they have some in stock. For what its worth, TCM was less expensive than West marine ( who would have had to special order them from Perko). West and Boat US do not stock these things anymore.
kamie posted 03-10-2004 01:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Thanks Rob, Currently the bow locker on my 18 is unhinged and I will probably leave it that way, at least until I clean out the rust stains in the bottom of it.
wwbach posted 02-28-2007 01:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for wwbach  Send Email to wwbach     
Can someone who has done this tell me what type of barrel nuts/sex bolts work for this application. A part number from this page would be great:

http://www.fastenal.com/catalog_pages/2005/0380.pdf

I am pretty sure I need the 8-32 thread size to match with the perko hinges. Can/should I use the Slotted Flat Head Sex Bolts (0123398) in brass? Is it or to use stainless screws with brass?

Is there a better source? Thanks. -- Bud

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