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Outrage18 posted 02-25-2004 02:07 PM ET (US)   Profile for Outrage18   Send Email to Outrage18  
Hello-

I am planning to pull up the floor on my 1982 Outrage18, to fix the soft floor and check fuel tank. Would you recommend replacing the old tank with a new one even if the old one hasnt given you problems yet? I understand that I can get one from Florida Marine Tank. Hav anyone done business with them? How much is the tank? And how much would it cost to ship?

Thanks!

-Paul

Gep posted 02-25-2004 02:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
If your going to go to the trouble of pulling your deck you might as well replace it while you have it off.

15 years is about the normal lifespan of a internal gas tank

Mike

Al_A_Buy posted 02-25-2004 05:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for Al_A_Buy  Send Email to Al_A_Buy     
Outrage18 - I bought my tank from FMT and found them very friendly and easy to work with. The price was right and they even walked me through the plant when I showed up unannounced.

Al W.

Outrage18 posted 02-26-2004 09:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for Outrage18  Send Email to Outrage18     
Gep-

That was my thought too!
Thanks for your input!

Can anyone share how much they paid?

Thanks! -Paul

Lou posted 02-28-2004 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Lou  Send Email to Lou     

One of the members posted an under-deck replacement of tank on a Revenge I believe. The pics are in the Cetacea section and are excellent.

My question is this, I also have an 82. I replaced hoses etc. but have not replaced the tank. THERE must be many older Outrages & whalers around w/ tanks that have not failed. It seems like a very big/expensive job. Do most tanks fail at 15-20 years? Does failure have anything to do w/ the care that the boat receives? - or is it just time dependent. My under deck space was unbelievably immaculate and I only replace hoses. Maybe a mistake. Maybe I should stop my restoration now and address the tank issue. Would love to hear input.

Lou

jimh posted 02-28-2004 04:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
It is hard to assess the tank without inspection and maybe a leak test (carefully done with the very low rated pressure specified by the tank manufacturer). But it is a certainty that the hoses will be shot and need replacement.

Replacing the engine feed hoses is not hard at all. Replacing the large diameter tank filler hose is quite a bit harder and also more expensive--the darn hose is $13/foot! The vent hose has to be replaced, too.

Plan to replace all rubber hoses, check the tank fittings and gaskets, and give the tank a careful look. It always comes down to how the boat was used. If it was a salt water boat and had constant water in the cockpit and below deck, it may be much worse than a fresh water boat that spent most of its life indoors on a trailer.

vkr posted 02-29-2004 05:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for vkr  Send Email to vkr     
I am interested in replacing the fuel lines on my 1986 Outrage 18. I would like to have everything in hand when I do the job to minimize the down time. Does anyone have the fuel line sizes and lengths I must purchase to do the job?

I found a few old posts on the subject, but didn't track down any details on hose diameters and lengths. At $17.00 a foot for the filler hose, I don't want to over purchase my lengths.

I understand the filler hose requires a tight radius 90 degree bend. Is there any trick to achieving this?
What is recommended for hose clamps? Would the stainless "Ideal" clamps be acceptable? Should two be used per attach point with the tightening screw opposed 180 degrees, or isn't that required? Thanks

jimh posted 02-29-2004 08:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I am almost certain that there is a 90-degree elbow fitting in the fuel tank filler hose in order to accomplish the sharp bend from below deck to running up the side of the cockpit. Given the diameter and stiffness of that hose, I cannot imagine being able to bend it to fit without the elbow.

Corollary to Murphy's Law:
Any hose cut to length will be too short.

vkr posted 06-06-2004 11:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for vkr  Send Email to vkr     
Jim, I finally got around to removing the port tunnel cover and port fiberglass gunwale cover to take a look at these fuel lines. Sure enough, the 1 1/2" ID fuel filler hose does not have a 90 degree elbow in it to make the transition from tunnel to gunwale. The filler hose simply contains a sharpe 90 degree bend in it. The fuel filler hose is original (1986 Outrage 18) and is labeled "Multiform #314 USCG Type A 1984".

Can I use the Shields Series 350 Fire-Acol Type 2 Vent/Fill Hose they sell at West Marine to replace the original fill hose? If not, does anyone have another source for the fill hose?

jimh posted 06-07-2004 12:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Part of the conformance to USCG regulations is the inclusion of the manufacture date on the hose. This comes in handy, as you have seen. That 1984 hose is now clearly twenty years old.

I am not aware of any hose available at a marine supply that includes a pre-bend in it. It would be interesting to inquire with Boston Whaler and see if they sell such a replacement part.

Gep posted 06-07-2004 08:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
If I understand what your asking... there is not a 90º elbow on the filler hose.
I don't think that you would want to use one either as this would be another place to allow gas to leak.

I actually found it easier to keep the bend in the filler hose if I kept the length of the hose just a little longer.

Here's what I did:

I unscrewed the filler cap and let it come up out of the gunnel cap, I then attached the hose to the gas tank and ran it through the tunnel and up and out of the hole in the gunnel cap where the filler cap was. I then pushed the hose down as hard as I could to get the hose to make as tight a 90º bend as I could.
I then marked the filler hose (knowing how much to allow for the cap) and cut it off at the mark. Then I attached the hose and pushed it back down and screwed the cap in place. Make sure you put your hose clamps on before you get this far or you'll end up doing it all over again. (been there, done that)
You might have to notch (shave) a little of the port tunnel cap to allow enough room for the filler hose to make the bend.

Hope this helps.
Mike

fina posted 06-07-2004 11:27 AM ET (US)     Profile for fina  Send Email to fina     
I am working on replacing a tank in my 22' Outrage.

The fuel fill hose does have a 90 degree connector and is double hose clamped.

my 77 gallon tank cost me $620 from FMT plus $145 freight

vkr posted 06-07-2004 12:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for vkr  Send Email to vkr     
Mike, Thanks for your helpful tips. I believe your strategy should work. I also agree that ideally you don't want to add an elbow to this application. it's just another location for potential leaks.

fina, I can't comment on your Outrage 22 fill hose set up. If the hose is the dated the same year or earlier than your boat, chances are the elbow configuration may be original. If the hose is dated newer than the boat year, all bets are off. You may want to ask a few Outrage 22 owners. Again, given I have hose dated 1984, I'm confident my setup is original.

Thanks for the help guys.

PTKPROD posted 06-07-2004 01:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for PTKPROD  Send Email to PTKPROD     
Hi All,

I just replaced my fuel filler hose on my 1986 Outrage 18, fairly tough job as the hose is a very tight fit. Chuck Bennett told me 42" of 1.5" Type A Class 2 hose, just about right. I used the Shields Series brand hose. No 90-degree bend used as none was used on the original.
fina posted 06-07-2004 09:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for fina  Send Email to fina     
I checked the date on the hose and it is the same year as hull(1987)
vkr posted 06-07-2004 11:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for vkr  Send Email to vkr     
fina, Interesting stuff. Obviously a different fill hose design for similar applications when comparing the Outrage 18 to the Outrage 22. Outrage 18 does not have a 90 degree elbow fitting, the Outrage 22 has a 90 degree elbow fitting.

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