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ryanwhaler posted 02-29-2004 10:51 PM ET (US)
I want to Awlgrip my 13'Plywood boat,its a wooden hull with a coat of fiberglass over the wood.
The only reason I'm asking a question about my "other" boat here is because I know of a lot of you guys have used Awlgrip to refinish the hulls on your Whalers.
Do you suggest attempting my myself, I've never done it before, how hard is it?
keltonkrew posted 02-29-2004 10:54 PM ET (US)
Ryan,
you know that awlgrip is dangerous to spray.....could be done roll and tip, but I have no experiece with that
jimh posted 03-01-2004 12:41 AM ET (US)
AWLGRIP is mentioned in over 200 articles. I am certain one of them must mention something about how to apply it.
ryanwhaler posted 03-01-2004 07:14 AM ET (US)
Okay, I'll read threw two hundred articles untill I find it.
AC posted 03-01-2004 08:26 AM ET (US)
Ryan,
Here is a videotape you can purchase from BennettMarine.com on how to apply Awlgrip by brush:
http://www.bennettmarine.com/painting.html
JayR posted 03-01-2004 09:01 AM ET (US)
That video would most certainly be helpful.
JimH, was it mentioned in one of the previous threads?
Things change, new ideas surface. Why is it that posting questions is frowned upon? Just because something has been discussed before does not mean one should just rely upon what was discussed previously. New people arrive on this site regularly and have plenty of new insight to offer.
It astonishes me that individuals are politely chastised for starting a thread that has been discussed before. For goodness sake, a forum is for discussion. Using the search function is helpful but it kind of defeats the discussion aspect of the topic and forum.
JayR posted 03-01-2004 09:04 AM ET (US)
Also....
it seems most topics regarding Boston Whalers have been discussed before. Maybe all these threads should be locked up and CW could be turned into a library :-)
Yeah... I'm cranky this morning. Sorry for the outburst.
bwmenemsha posted 03-01-2004 11:47 AM ET (US)
Jay...you are aware of the search function that jimh has provided....it saves a lot of wear and tear sorta speak of a repetitive nature.For example l am interested in getting and installing a cmc pt-130 jackplate...rather than recreating everything l just went to search...put that subject in and whamo...everything previously discussed was on there....so guess it is sort of a library....l hope that helps....Bob
JayR posted 03-01-2004 03:33 PM ET (US)
Bob, my concern is that one could view this material (dated)) and think he has been sufficiently informed only to find out later, that there is a new school of thought and he has missed the boat by not asking...
It is obvious that some people do not use the search function and should. A few threads above is testament to that.... On the other hand, some do use it and still have questions. It happened to me. I subsequently got reminded of the search function in a similar situation and was quite annoyed about it.
bwmenemsha posted 03-01-2004 04:04 PM ET (US)
Jay....l understand what you are saying....but at least go there 1st and try. l totally know that most newcomers don't know about that feature but ryan is hardly a newcomer. Anyway l was not trying to be forum police just had the feeling that you mightt not have known about it....thanks for your explanation reply.....Bob
Chesapeake posted 03-05-2004 02:57 PM ET (US)
Jay:
Don't believe that Awl-grip or the techniques to apply it have changed much in the past five years. On this site, there is some named Paint Legend that has forgot more about Awl-grip that most of us have ever known - including those of us that have used Awl-grip.
Here is what I can tell you. Awl-grip is extremely noxious and includes a ton of various carcinogens. If sprayed, those products become airborne and inhaleable at one's own peril. Ostensibly for this reason, US Paint recommends that only experts with appropriate safety equipment use it. That means a spray booth with effective exhaust and also appropriate gear including full coveralls, hood and mask. The yacht builders in Stuart that shoot the stuff all us forced air repirators when spraying Awl-grip.
That having been said, I did it in my garage with an Accuspray HVLP set-up. It was not very intelligent choice, but I did it with the aid of a homemade booth with fan.
The Fan is key not only for health, but for finish. Without it, the Awl-grip cloud settles on your workpiece and instead of the perfect finish Awl-grip is capable of producing, you get a piece that is "dusted" with Awl-grip solids.
The key to Awl-grip is preparation. Since the primer and top coat telegraph virtually any imperfection, the surface needs to be very well faired prior to shooting. Spraying the primer (101?) is pretty easy. Shooting the topcoat is a bit more finicky as it responds very sensitively to climate / temperature changes. In cooler weather, it will run before it has a chance to set. At the end of the day, I faired out and sprayed an old wooden console to look like a brand new glass console. The flip back pilot seat telegraphed the grain of the marine ply I used, despite what I thought was very good fairing with West System epoxy and fillers.
Have not tried the brush preparation, but would be interested in your results. Should you like to chat off-line, I'd be happy to have you call me at home one night.
Best,
Bob
rtk posted 03-05-2004 05:52 PM ET (US)
Ryan- there are alot of good single part polyurethane paints out there- you would be suprised at the abuse the paint can take. I painted my daughter's fiberglass pram last year. Alot of sand gets in the boat and the paint held up very good. Sand it nice & smooth, two coats of primer, sand smooth & two finish coats of paint & you will have a nice paint job for that boat. Use a real good quality brush for the finish coats. Brush in one direction- horizontal. Takes some practice but you can get a nice finish on the boat with little expense & do it safely- awlgrip & other two part paints are nasty stuff.
Rich

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Author	Topic: Awlgrip, can I do it myself?
ryanwhaler	posted 02-29-2004 10:51 PM ET (US) I want to Awlgrip my 13'Plywood boat,its a wooden hull with a coat of fiberglass over the wood. The only reason I'm asking a question about my "other" boat here is because I know of a lot of you guys have used Awlgrip to refinish the hulls on your Whalers. Do you suggest attempting my myself, I've never done it before, how hard is it?
keltonkrew	posted 02-29-2004 10:54 PM ET (US) Ryan, you know that awlgrip is dangerous to spray.....could be done roll and tip, but I have no experiece with that
jimh	posted 03-01-2004 12:41 AM ET (US) AWLGRIP is mentioned in over 200 articles. I am certain one of them must mention something about how to apply it.
ryanwhaler	posted 03-01-2004 07:14 AM ET (US) Okay, I'll read threw two hundred articles untill I find it.
AC	posted 03-01-2004 08:26 AM ET (US) Ryan, Here is a videotape you can purchase from BennettMarine.com on how to apply Awlgrip by brush: http://www.bennettmarine.com/painting.html
JayR	posted 03-01-2004 09:01 AM ET (US) That video would most certainly be helpful. JimH, was it mentioned in one of the previous threads? Things change, new ideas surface. Why is it that posting questions is frowned upon? Just because something has been discussed before does not mean one should just rely upon what was discussed previously. New people arrive on this site regularly and have plenty of new insight to offer. It astonishes me that individuals are politely chastised for starting a thread that has been discussed before. For goodness sake, a forum is for discussion. Using the search function is helpful but it kind of defeats the discussion aspect of the topic and forum.
JayR	posted 03-01-2004 09:04 AM ET (US) Also.... it seems most topics regarding Boston Whalers have been discussed before. Maybe all these threads should be locked up and CW could be turned into a library :-) Yeah... I'm cranky this morning. Sorry for the outburst.
bwmenemsha	posted 03-01-2004 11:47 AM ET (US) Jay...you are aware of the search function that jimh has provided....it saves a lot of wear and tear sorta speak of a repetitive nature.For example l am interested in getting and installing a cmc pt-130 jackplate...rather than recreating everything l just went to search...put that subject in and whamo...everything previously discussed was on there....so guess it is sort of a library....l hope that helps....Bob
JayR	posted 03-01-2004 03:33 PM ET (US) Bob, my concern is that one could view this material (dated)) and think he has been sufficiently informed only to find out later, that there is a new school of thought and he has missed the boat by not asking... It is obvious that some people do not use the search function and should. A few threads above is testament to that.... On the other hand, some do use it and still have questions. It happened to me. I subsequently got reminded of the search function in a similar situation and was quite annoyed about it.
bwmenemsha	posted 03-01-2004 04:04 PM ET (US) Jay....l understand what you are saying....but at least go there 1st and try. l totally know that most newcomers don't know about that feature but ryan is hardly a newcomer. Anyway l was not trying to be forum police just had the feeling that you mightt not have known about it....thanks for your explanation reply.....Bob
Chesapeake	posted 03-05-2004 02:57 PM ET (US) Jay: Don't believe that Awl-grip or the techniques to apply it have changed much in the past five years. On this site, there is some named Paint Legend that has forgot more about Awl-grip that most of us have ever known - including those of us that have used Awl-grip. Here is what I can tell you. Awl-grip is extremely noxious and includes a ton of various carcinogens. If sprayed, those products become airborne and inhaleable at one's own peril. Ostensibly for this reason, US Paint recommends that only experts with appropriate safety equipment use it. That means a spray booth with effective exhaust and also appropriate gear including full coveralls, hood and mask. The yacht builders in Stuart that shoot the stuff all us forced air repirators when spraying Awl-grip. That having been said, I did it in my garage with an Accuspray HVLP set-up. It was not very intelligent choice, but I did it with the aid of a homemade booth with fan. The Fan is key not only for health, but for finish. Without it, the Awl-grip cloud settles on your workpiece and instead of the perfect finish Awl-grip is capable of producing, you get a piece that is "dusted" with Awl-grip solids. The key to Awl-grip is preparation. Since the primer and top coat telegraph virtually any imperfection, the surface needs to be very well faired prior to shooting. Spraying the primer (101?) is pretty easy. Shooting the topcoat is a bit more finicky as it responds very sensitively to climate / temperature changes. In cooler weather, it will run before it has a chance to set. At the end of the day, I faired out and sprayed an old wooden console to look like a brand new glass console. The flip back pilot seat telegraphed the grain of the marine ply I used, despite what I thought was very good fairing with West System epoxy and fillers. Have not tried the brush preparation, but would be interested in your results. Should you like to chat off-line, I'd be happy to have you call me at home one night. Best, Bob
rtk	posted 03-05-2004 05:52 PM ET (US) Ryan- there are alot of good single part polyurethane paints out there- you would be suprised at the abuse the paint can take. I painted my daughter's fiberglass pram last year. Alot of sand gets in the boat and the paint held up very good. Sand it nice & smooth, two coats of primer, sand smooth & two finish coats of paint & you will have a nice paint job for that boat. Use a real good quality brush for the finish coats. Brush in one direction- horizontal. Takes some practice but you can get a nice finish on the boat with little expense & do it safely- awlgrip & other two part paints are nasty stuff. Rich