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kamie posted 03-02-2004 01:36 PM ET (US)   Profile for kamie   Send Email to kamie  
There is currently a stern light for sale on ebay. The seller indicated it came from an Outrage and the diameter of the light pole seems right but the height is only 2 feet. Seems a little short unless it was mounted on the gunnals? I know the parts are around and folks have made their own, just wondering what I am missing on this one.

thanks

LHG posted 03-02-2004 01:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for LHG    
About 30" sounds more correct. These sit in a base on the splashwell floor. Because I have the taller Mercury in-line 6 engines on mine, I moved mine forward a bit so the base sits on the splashwell dam, thereby gaining height visibility over the engines.

Does not your boat not have a stern light or at least some of the fittings remaining? There is teak mounted clip in the rod rack area where it stores.

Joe Kriz posted 03-02-2004 02:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
LHG, you are big now.... :-) (lhg)

It appears kamie is missing his clip from these photos (under kamie)...

www.sisqtel.net/~jkriz/drawings/outrage18-hin.html

kamie does appear to have the correct bracket on the side of the gunwale.

Also, the stern light on eBay appears to be from a much earlier Outrage.. It does not have the same configuration as the Outrage from the 1980's...

kamie posted 03-02-2004 02:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
All I have is the base mounted on a block of teak and the round holder. If there needs to be anything else it's long gone. I have ask the seller for the year of the outrage the light came from, I'll let you know what I hear.
Any pictures around of what the clip is supposed to look like, since it seem's mine is missing?

Thanks for the info.

kamie posted 03-02-2004 02:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
I actually found a picture of the clip. If you look at Dirk's boat, 1st and 2nd photo's show the clip.
Gep posted 03-02-2004 03:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Gep  Send Email to Gep     
Kamie,
I saw that one on ebay also.
I haven't seen an Outrage stern light that looks like that one.
I just bought a stern light from someone on CW.
I have it sitting in front of me.

The tube itself is 36" long.
Some parts are hard if not impossible to come by.
The tube is just 1-1/4" anodized aluminum, the light is a Perko Stern light 965-DP-CHR.
I think you can still get the two prong connector from Boston Whaler.

The hard parts to find are the Stern light escutcheon, teak base block, support block, and sternlight ring.
My sternlight ring didn't have an upper ring, so I made one out of Tyvar.

The almost impossble, if not impossible, item to find is the part that holds the Stern light mentioned above to the aluminum tube. It looks sort of like an inverted pipe flange. That was the reason for me buying one insted of continuing with my plans to build my own.

Here are a couple of threads to peruse.

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000120.html

http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum6/HTML/000162.html


Mike

Tom W Clark posted 03-02-2004 03:52 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Kamie,

The light on Ebay you refer to is (I think) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=50437&item=2463928489

This is NOT from an Outrage. It is not even from a Whaler. It is a standard of-the-shelf Perko stern light. It is very similar to the stern light used on all the Whalers 17' and less, but uses aluminum tubing instead os stainless steel or chrome plated brass and the angle at which the light itself is mounted is greater than those that were manufactured for Whaler.

But anticipating another question from you: the stern light for the Outrage 18 was rather short as Larry and Mike describe. The reason it so short is because it NOT an all-around stern light. It is merely a 135 degree stern light that has to be used in conjunction with the masthead light mounted in the (or in your case, on the T-top).

I have talked about this arrangement on the Outrage models several times before. I do not like it at all. A search will yield my comments.

kamie posted 03-02-2004 04:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Thanks Tom,

I have acutally read every thread on CW containing "Stern Light" and "Outrage", including your description of making a new one (and have them bookmarked I might add). Hence my confusion when the one on ebay came up for sale, especially since it didn't seem nearly as tall as I would suspect it needed to be to clear the bow, 25" is pretty short when you measure up from the deck. I will probably follow your plans and make a new one when I remove the t-top.

kamie posted 03-02-2004 05:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
The seller indicated 'it was a 198X boat' in response to my question on the year of the boat, since the add indicates it came off an Outrage. I am going to guess either
1. it's not really from an outrage and they just said that in the add.
2. it is from an outrage but not factory part.
3. it really is from an outrage and a factory part but somone cut off 12" from the pole for whatever reason.

At this point I think i'll pass and follow Tom's instructions on building one when the time comes, unless one shows up for sale here.

Thanks for everyones input.

Joe Kriz posted 03-02-2004 06:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
kamie,

Check your email... I sent you a couple of photos of what the original Stern light looks like... Also the Masthead light...

kamie posted 03-02-2004 06:36 PM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Thanks Joe, I look forward to seeing the pictures.
Lou posted 03-02-2004 07:48 PM ET (US)     Profile for Lou  Send Email to Lou     

Ditto on what Tom says. I've had two 18' Outrages, an 82 and a 89. The stern lights have been almost identical and look nothing like that pic.
Al_A_Buy posted 03-03-2004 08:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for Al_A_Buy  Send Email to Al_A_Buy     
Tom - The item on ebay looks exactly like the "anchor light" on my 1974 21' Outrage. I was assured by the original owner of the boat that the light had not been changed, although, a Perko lens matched perfectly when I had to replace the lens last year. Any pictures of what an original stern or anchor light might look like?

Al

kamie posted 03-03-2004 08:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for kamie  Send Email to kamie     
Al,

http://kamie.homeip.net/evenstar/index.html I have added the pictures that Joe set to me to the bottom

Tom W Clark posted 03-03-2004 10:51 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Al,

No, your Outrage 21 would not have come from Whaler with a light like that. Where is it mounted on your boat?

The Outrage/Revenge 19s and 21 were the first Whalers to use a radically designed stern light instead of an off-the-shelf light. Whaler used to use it as an example of how far they would go to design things that actually worked instead of merely looking good.

The all around white stern light on the Outrage 21 was over six feet tall and was made of a large diameter anodized aluminum tube with a special domed light with a huge glare shield beneath it. The light itself is quite different than what was used on the Outrages from the 1980s.

There is a good view and description of this super tall stern light in the 1978 catalog on page 5. It shows the light itself in a close up and a view of the Outrage 19 lo-profile with the stern light installed and towering over the pilot.

Tom W Clark posted 03-03-2004 10:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Or better yet, look at the 1976 low profile 19 flyer for better photos of this stern light installed.
Al_A_Buy posted 03-03-2004 04:54 PM ET (US)     Profile for Al_A_Buy  Send Email to Al_A_Buy     
Tom - My light is mounted aft, starboard on the forward face of the splashwell.

Seems that the ebay seller and I got an equal dose of bum dope. Not that it changes my love of my boat any way, just another data point in favor of operations over originality...

Al

Joe Kriz posted 03-03-2004 05:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
Tom,

I have looked over the item on eBay carefully... It looks very similar to my prior 1978 Montauk and my prior 1966 Sport 13.. I know it does not have the double mounts as above, but it sure looks very close with the knurled nut that Whaler has used for years... Just my observation..

Is it possible that this could have been an early installation on a few Outrages?

Joe Kriz posted 03-03-2004 06:47 PM ET (US)     Profile for Joe Kriz  Send Email to Joe Kriz     
I found a light that looks similar to the one for sale on eBay.

It is on page 10 of the 1972 Catalog.. This may not be exactly the same as the one on eBay, but it is short and all around... I know I had seen one somewhere that looked similar...

Joe

Tom W Clark posted 03-04-2004 03:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
Al and Joe,

I cannot say conclusively that Whaler did NOT install that light in an Outrage 21 from 1974 but I can say that it an off-the-shelf part, not the "custom stern light" that Whaler described it as.

Joe,

This light is not the same as the light you point out in the 1972 catalog. Those lights may or may not have been a Perko product. I do know they have a different lens, rather dome shaped on top and the threads on it are unique.

Tom Birdsey who owns a "dump truck" Outrage lost the lens on his original stern light. We conversed about replacements and he sent me photos that show it unlike anything available now.

The nut on the light in the Ebay auction is not the same as the Whaler knurled nut on the small boat stern lights (which were custom made for Whaler.)

Also please note the light in the auction is mounted at an angle to the pole. The change in direction is made AT the light itself, not via a bend int he tubing. Perk built Whaler stern lights had no bend whatsoever until the early 1980s when the height of them began to grow. When a bend was introduced, it was put in the tubing so the tubing still went straight into the light itself.

I can buy lights like the one in this Ebay auction all day long. They are plentiful on the used market, but are not the same as what Whaler used.

The lens itself or "clear fresnel globe" is very common and has been used on many different versions of the Perko pole stern light. http://perko.com/cgi-bin/perko.pl?dis+248-spare_lenses_info Replacements are still available at places like West Marine.

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