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islander posted 04-09-2004 11:13 AM ET (US)   Profile for islander   Send Email to islander  
Spring lines
If you need to run spring lines, what do you fasten it to on the boat? Has anyone installed cleats? Do you use the rail posts? I park at several docks that have poor cleat positions .


I am using two 6x15 bumpers (hung horizontally) with carabiner clips to the rail post brackets. While you can move them to the other side of the boat, it is not quick. I looked at rail clips but did not see ones that can be removed quickly. Any ideas appreciated.

Legobusier posted 04-09-2004 11:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Legobusier  Send Email to Legobusier     

I picked up some rail fender hangers from Boater's World down here that go on/off very easily with a ratchet strap - just push a button to release and your're all set. I checked their website to give you a link, but don't see them listed. They work great and are about $4 or $5 each.

Good luck,

mark11 posted 04-09-2004 12:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for mark11  Send Email to mark11     
islander the guy I bought my 86 montauk from had installed cleats just aft of the bow rail stantion on each side of the boat. While they are handy he did an ugly job on the install. They were thru bolted and fastened to the outside of the hull with nuts and lock washers. I had a rectangler stainless backing plate made with 4 holes and fasted with nylock bolts. What I would love to find but can't is a plate similar to the one the stantion is thru bolted with. It is cast with posts and tapped holes to accept the screws. Nothing shows on the outside of the hull except the plate. Good luck, Mark
Legobusier posted 04-09-2004 01:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Legobusier  Send Email to Legobusier     
Found em....Don't know if this is exactly what you are looking for or not but this is what I was talking about.

pglein posted 04-15-2004 06:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for pglein  Send Email to pglein     
It's easier to mount a center cleat on the dock than it is to mount it on the whaler. That's what I do.
Tom W Clark posted 04-15-2004 07:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     

Do not install cleats. There is no good place to mount them and I am always sad to see them installed in some cobbled up fashion on these hulls.

For spring lines on both my Montauks I simply used the pre-spliced eye in my mooring lines to attach them to the forward stanchion of the side rails. From there the line can secured to a cleat on the dock or it can be doubled back and secured to the stanchion with a couple of hitches. End of story.

islander posted 04-15-2004 08:41 PM ET (US)     Profile for islander  Send Email to islander     
Thanks to all for the hanger advice.

I agree that cleats on the side are not a good idea. Will use the stanchion. This was my first thought but was resistant since I didn't want to yank one out.

Like Tom's idea of running a line from one stanchion to the dock and back to a second stanchion.


P.S Hear it is going above 60 this weekend and maybe to 70 for a day this week. Hurray. Will not be surprised if we got snow in the next 2 weeks.

Chuck Tribolet posted 04-15-2004 10:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chuck Tribolet  Send Email to Chuck Tribolet     
Boats have fenders, bumpers are on the front and back of

Fenders that work really well on a 16'7" Montauk are the
Taylor Made Low Freeboard Fenders that look like penguins.
(West catalog, page 732). They are made for bass boats, but
work great on the Montauk. I normally use three, two forward,
one all the way aft. For overnight tieups, I add a fourth
mounted 3/4 of the way aft. I suspect they wouldn't be as
effective on an M170.

For mounting the penguins, I use the Taylor Stainless Fender
Locks (non-adjustable, West, page 737).

Decide where ALL the Fender locks are going to be
before you install ANY. I started from the stern, and the
last one had to be mounted higher, which means it needs a
unique fender (has a red line instead of white). Yes, I know,
"measure twice, cut once." This is one of my bigger DUHs on
the boat, and bugs me every time I have to tell a new dive
buddy (or dumb repeat buddy) that the fender with the red line
goes forward.

I would never attach a line (for tieing up the boat) to the
rails, they just ain't made for it.

Why can't spring lines just be run from the lifting eyes?


Tom W Clark posted 04-16-2004 09:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tom W Clark  Send Email to Tom W Clark     
I would never attach a line (for tieing up the boat) to the
rails, they just ain't made for it.

Why can't spring lines just be run from the lifting eyes?

Chuck, are you kidding? Of course the rails are meant to have lines tied to them. How do you suppose Dick Fisher tied up his boat?! That was the whole reason Whaler never bothered to install cleats on those hulls.

The reason spring lines aren't commonly run from the lifting eyes is twofold:

1) The lines will often need to be longer to get to the appropriate cleat or attachment point on the dock.

2) It is much more difficult (or impossible) to get two eye splices through the lifting eye than one.

As for fenders on a Montauk, I used the usual Taylormade 16" x 4" tied off with the highly reliable and adjustable double hitch. I'm not much for fancy gadgets.

I left them tied off to port most all the time because that is how I preferred to dock. The kicker was mounted to starboard and I did not like the idea of it having a chance to hit anything on the dock or pier. If I needed them to starboard I simply untied them and moved them over.

There are some situations where you need fenders on both sides. I kept another pair on board for these situations. Going through the government locks here in Seattle you MUST have fenders port and starboard and you WILL need to be creative in their placement as you never know what your going to be sandwiched between.

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