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Raaaaay posted 11-25-2008 11:35 AM ET (US)   Profile for Raaaaay   Send Email to Raaaaay  
I bought my new 1973 Whaler 19 based on pictures and many conversations with the seller.

These are some of the pics I received from the seller. I will pick up the boat sometime in December. Hopefully, it is what I want. There is a big risk buying sight unseen, but supposedly there are no soft spots in the hull or floor, the 175hp motor runs good and has good compression across all cylinders. The trailer is solid. The hull looks like it will need restoring, I plan to strip off the bottom paint, and either bring the gelcoat back to life or awlgrip it. The inside looks pretty good. I intend to find a RPS to replace the Todd seat. Eventually, I will repower it with a Suzuki 115 or 140 4s.

The boat supposedly was a fresh water boat from back east, but has been in California for the past 2 years...does anybody recognize it????

I will also post more information after I get the boat next month.

So....how does it look?????

http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/rsopfe

(I started a new thread in repairs/mods to focus on my upcoming project)

Tohsgib posted 11-25-2008 12:06 PM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Boat looks pretty clean and by all means do whatever you can to restore it WITHOUT painting the hull. No big deal to have bottom paint if it is not easy to strip and it is not flaking off.
prj posted 11-25-2008 12:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for prj  Send Email to prj     
Handsome boat.

I found this photo of your boat, buried in the Scientists' Log, mostly down the page:

http://scientistlog.blogspot.com/2007_08_01_archive.html

Raaaaay posted 11-25-2008 01:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Raaaaay  Send Email to Raaaaay     
Thanks for the link to that picture, I hadnt seen that one.

The person I bought from was a marine biologist, and had used the Outrage over the past 2 years.

ChiTown Cetacean posted 11-25-2008 09:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for ChiTown Cetacean  Send Email to ChiTown Cetacean     
Ray:

Are you going to make the other CW'ers really sick and tell them what a good deal you got on her?

Tony

Raaaaay posted 11-26-2008 01:44 AM ET (US)     Profile for Raaaaay  Send Email to Raaaaay     
I am quite happy with my purchase at $3000.
Tohsgib posted 11-26-2008 09:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
When you repower...I have the perfect prop for you.
Raaaaay posted 01-25-2009 07:15 PM ET (US)     Profile for Raaaaay  Send Email to Raaaaay     
I finally picked up the boat last weekend and viewed it in person for the first time.

I will be a little more work that I had hoped for due to a few more dings and more spyder cracks. The boat seems to be sound overall and I am looking forward to dropping it in the water and seeing how it runs.

It towed home fine the 450 miles from Montery Bay to the San Diego area.

The exterior of the hull and the non-skid has been painted white, and has been bottom painted. I want to clean off all of this paint so I can see what additional work is needed.

I have talked to a few soda blasters already to clean up the hull. One quoted my about $350 to blast the hull, and the other told me $1.50/sq.ft. to soda blast. I plan on having the exterior hull and interior non-skid soda blasted.

I have purchased a RPS on ebay that I will restore and await its arrival. I also have purchased new red rubrail already from Twin Cities Marine.

So...the project begins!!!

Take a look at the new pics, any feedback on the boat will be appreciated.

Also, any comments on the quotes that were given to me for the soda blasting?

http://s477.photobucket.com/albums/rr131/rsopfe

Ray

Casco Bay Outrage posted 01-25-2009 07:31 PM ET (US)     Profile for Casco Bay Outrage  Send Email to Casco Bay Outrage     
Ray -

Congrats. She has good bones! Just needs your help getting back into shape.

While I am sure you already know this, the trailer winch post and front roller are totally wacked and not correctly positioned. I can see why the damage occurred. What a shame.

filthypit posted 01-27-2009 01:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for filthypit  Send Email to filthypit     
sweet!

you might be interested in:
http://www.hatterasgear.com/73outrage.html

Ritzyrags posted 01-27-2009 03:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Rayyyy,

I think that you have got yourself into a very exciting and eventful project.
I think that the price paid was a steal..
Let us know if you need advises and directions when busy at work making her shine like new again.
Congratulations on your newest Girl.

Serge.

Ritzyrags posted 01-27-2009 10:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
On second thought,
After looking at all the photos,I will say that if you change your mind and look for a new adopter for her, I might be interested in picking her up as my very next project.
I can tell that there is going to be a whole lot of sanding, dremelling and resurfacing that will have to be done.
My kind of challenge.

Serge.

Raaaaay posted 01-28-2009 03:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for Raaaaay  Send Email to Raaaaay     
Filthy....I love what you did with the lo-pro conversion.

Serge..I have seen many pics of your work also, and I am motivated now to bring this boat up to par. As of now I am planning on continuing ahead with the restoration, but if I change my mind you will see the ole gal offered first here on CW.

Casco mentioned the trailer issues with the winch and roller....what is the best way to correct that. I know it looked a little weird to me, but is it totally wrong?

Also, the trailer appears to be short for this boat, but it trailered 450 miles home without any problem or swaying. I think it may be the original trailer, and it seems sound other than a rusty axle. The tongue weight is a little light, but on my drive I had no swaying or other problems. Should I concern myself with the trailer, or just use it as is(I usually say if it aint broke why fix it). From now on there probably wont be any long hauling, mostly 30 miles or so to the launch.

Ray

L H G posted 01-28-2009 03:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for L H G    
I hope you will remove the bottom paint. In my opinion, bottom paint destroys the hull lines on most Whalers by randomly cutting across the unique hull configuration of a Whaler, and particularly on this hull. The 19's look great with no paint lines.

Glad to hear you purchased the red rubrail insert. that will also enhance the appearance of the boat. The black rubrail and blue bottom paint are a bad combination.

Raaaaay posted 01-28-2009 04:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Raaaaay  Send Email to Raaaaay     
LHG...I definitely plan to remove the bottom paint...the real question remains is if the existing gel coat can be restored with patching and light repairs. If it is beyond repairs, I will be forced to Awlgrip paint the hull. Anyways, based a lot of spider cracks, the Awlgrip may be the only way to clean up the entire boat. If you look at my pics of the transom well, you can see a sample of the spider cracks that I am talking about.

From what I have read, the only way to hide this type of thing is to use a high build-up primer and then paint with a paint like Awlgrip.

Ritzyrags posted 01-28-2009 07:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Ray,

I would hate to contradict you.
And specially in the advent of you starting on this fun project.
There is no real need to go to an Alwgrip resurfacing material.
What is available here is a valid choice to remain with the original polyester gel resin to resurface this unit.
The main thing here, Ray, is the time and obscene amount of hours to properly prep up the surfaces to resurfacing will have to be invested.
And this regardless of your choice of resurfacing materials.
Hence my offer to take her over if unwilling to go that route.
You could; as many have done before do a partial refit and sail her as is.
Or take your time, money and efforts in having fun doing it.
This spring will see me renewing my efforts in making her shine as she used to be some years ago.
So the choices and options are yours.
Let me know of your needs.

Serge.

Raaaaay posted 01-28-2009 08:11 PM ET (US)     Profile for Raaaaay  Send Email to Raaaaay     
Serge...from what I have read of your early postings on CW, you had considered Awlgrip, but now you seem anti-Awlgrip. Is this because you have become a purist and now believe that gel coat is the only way to keep a classic Whaler fit for the water???? OR, is it because the task of refitting your boat wasnt as much work as you expected, or was redoing the gelcoat not as hard as you expected.

I have read many of your postings and am confused as to what process you actually undertook. Did you sand and refinish the existing gelcoat, or did you apply new gelcoat???

Serge.. I appreciate your feedback and pictures also. I have only seen scattered pictures of your boat, do you have a link to how your boat started, pics in process and how it looks now?

I do acknowledge that I would prefer to stay true to the original gelcoat, but there has to be a point where a boat is past the point to restore the existing gelcoat, and from what I have heard, the cost and number of hours to apply new gelcoat is extremely high.

I personally do not have the time to put in 100's of hours on the hull, but I love the look of this vintage boat. I have seen pictures of many classic Whalers that have been painted with Awlgrip and they have received praises from many members on this site. I guess it is a factor of time and money in the end.

Anybody take a look at the pics on the link and give me opinions...they are ALWAYS appreciated.

Ritzyrags posted 01-28-2009 11:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
I have emailed you privately.
Ritzyrags posted 01-29-2009 04:26 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
Ray,

If you do need further info on the refit of this very interesting project;
I will be at your disposition for any further help.
After having chatted with you for a good part of the hour tonight;
I am sure that you have seen a bit more of most of the dimensions involved in this specific refit.
If in need of further advices,
Do not hesitate to call upon me.
I will be at your service.

Regards,

Serge.

Raaaaay posted 01-29-2009 10:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Raaaaay  Send Email to Raaaaay     
Serge....nice talking with you last night. I am sure more questions will be on their way.

I probably should start new posts on here with specific questions that I have as this post was just a general posting when I purchased my boat.

Thanks in advance to all who will be giving advice for my restoration.

Ray

Ritzyrags posted 02-08-2009 02:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
And How have you been making out on your project Ray?
Raaaaay posted 02-09-2009 12:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Raaaaay  Send Email to Raaaaay     
I am planning my future repairs but havnt had time to start anything yet. I met with a soda blaster about cleaning the hull and inside of paint. Hopefully this next weekend I will be able to get out and start the motor and see how it runs. I plan on using the boat some before I start working on it.
Ritzyrags posted 02-10-2009 10:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ritzyrags  Send Email to Ritzyrags     
I see..
Well,
I will be there if you need support and counsel if you happen to be with a question while at work on your refit.

Serge.

ChiTown Cetacean posted 02-12-2009 02:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for ChiTown Cetacean  Send Email to ChiTown Cetacean     
Ray:

I'm sure it's been good to finally get ahold of your boat. With all due respect to the purists, I think that you will be time, money and heartache ahead if you Awlgrip the boat. It all boils down to the "museum piece" versus "attractive boat to be used and enjoyed" choice. If you want a museum piece, you would be better off starting with something which is closer to that point already. If you want the "attractive boat to be used and enjoyed" then Awlgrip will get you where you want to go.

The trailer does look short for the boat, but you may have enough room for some adjustment forward. I agree the winch stand and bow roller in particular is wrong and you will only have problems with continual damage to the bow if you keep it that way. The winch stand post itself seems like it is fine, so you might want to just get a new "arm" to attach the post which will combine the platform for the winch with the bow roller just above. You can get one here:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BOAT-TRAILER-BOW-STANDS-WINCH-MOUNTS-BRACKETS-3732_W0QQcmdZViewItemQQitemZ280002558420QQptZMotorsQ5fRVQ5fTrailerQ5fCamperQ5fPartsQ5fAccessories

But before spending much on the trailer, decide whether you can adjust it to get some support with a keel roller and bunks under the transom. My '73 Outrage has a transom that looks good as new, but let's face it, it ain't a spring chicken...

LHG has a trailer for sale (I believe it's still available) which is already set up for your boat. I spent quite a bit of time and money getting my old trailer back into good working order (paint job and all new hardware plus some tires), and I would have been ahead if I'd just bought LHG's trailer, but it wasn't yet available. That may be your smart move all things considered.

Best of luck and keep us all posted,

Tony

Raaaaay posted 02-12-2009 01:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for Raaaaay  Send Email to Raaaaay     
Tony...thanks for the advice. The more I study the boat, the more I believe that it is a better candidate for Awlgrip rather than gelcoat repair or restoration. I love how your boat came out and hope that mine will look as nice as yours. I will know more once I get the boat soda blasted. The nice thing is that the hull seems sound and is fairly complete with the exception of a RPS (which I have recently purchased on Ebay).
I know I received a lot of comments on the trailer not being worth using, but after closer analysis I feel I can move the winch stand/bow stop futher forward, and as you suggested, just replace the winch and bowstop. That old galvanized trailer shows no rust, is very heavy duty and I feel it will last another 35 years with some minor attention to normal things like the bearings, winch, etc.
dino54904 posted 02-17-2009 05:49 PM ET (US)     Profile for dino54904  Send Email to dino54904     
I used Awlcraft 2000 paint (Awlgrip product) to restore my 1972 19' Outrage and it looks beautiful. We filled and sanded all the prior bumps in the surface, primed with awlgrip primer and then applied 2 coats of Awlcraft 2000. After two years of use the paint looks like new and is very durable.
jmiller posted 02-22-2009 12:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for jmiller  Send Email to jmiller     
Nice Outrage! I just purchased a 1977 myself. Same boat. Did a lot of restoration. New fuel tank (big job), new wiring, raised console, new bench seat, new nav lights, new engine (expensive). The boat is really coming together. If you have any questions before you dive into any of the same projects, email me at miller64@optonline.net.

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