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e_digg posted 06-02-2009 10:31 AM ET (US)
My next door neighbor sold me his Whaler that we was intending to restore himself when he retired five years ago but never got around to it. She is a 1966 by her hull #20843. It has been sitting outside for over 10 years and I don't think it has been in the water since 1991. I plan on replacing all the wood by purchasing from Specialty Marine off of eBay. Has anybody dealt with that company? As far as the hull is concearned there are cracks everywhere in the gel coat from being outside in the elements. What is suggested to fix that? Should it be repainted? There appears to be no water penetration into the hull since it weighs light.
Thanks
Ed
HAPPYJIM posted 06-02-2009 10:51 AM ET (US)
Before trashing the original wood, is it restorable? Most wood can be brought back to it's original beauty as long as it's not rotted.
Hold back on the paint brush until you have done some reading. It is much easier to wet sand the hull than to slat a coat of paint on her. Try a small 1 square foot area with 600 wet/dry then finish with 1000 grit. If your are pleasantly surprised, and I think you will be, take on the rest of the hull, a little at a time.
{url]http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/repairInstructions.html[/url]
There is a wealth of info available on this site for the price of zip. Read as much as you can before you devalue that Classic. Basic things like cleaning materials have been tested over the years and will provide you much needed facts on bringing her back to tip-top shape.
Start by taking pictures of her for before and after story. This will also help in diagnosing problems and the easiest way to fix them.
Buckda posted 06-02-2009 10:55 AM ET (US)
I agree with Jim.
I'm not familiar with Specialty Marine, but have seen first-hand the quality of work and finish done by Nautical Lumber. I'd check with Mike Stennett at Nautical Lumber - he's willing to work with you and will deliver the wood in any state that you wish (i.e. cut, assembled and finished or cut and packaged with instructions - your choice - any stage in between).
Good luck - sounds like a good find.
Dave
Jeff posted 06-02-2009 11:16 AM ET (US)
E,
As for the wood. If you want an interior of the highest quality and finish I would recommend Nautical Lumber. As Dave stated Mike is willing to work with his customers to provide custom elements as well as anything else to meet your needs. All of his interiors and hand made and finished in his shop and not outsourced.
www.nauticallumber.com
As for the cracking. It should be all cosmetic. Honestly the only way to get rid of them is to dermal them out and fill them with a gelcoat patch material. Or, grind them out fill with a polyester filler and sanded out then respray with paint or gelcoat.
Here is a thread on my project 13. You can see the pit I started with and where it is now.
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/015945.html
R T M posted 06-02-2009 12:11 PM ET (US)
As far as the hull is concearned there are cracks everywhere in the gel coat from being outside in the elements
You can`t buff out the spider cracks. Grinding then off, and regel or paint is the only solution.
rich/Binkie
Tohsgib posted 06-02-2009 12:23 PM ET (US)
Obviously not a barn find ;)
deepwater posted 06-02-2009 03:22 PM ET (US)
It sounds like you found a gem in the rough,, you can go total factory or functional restore ,,just ignore the Monday morning quarterbacks and enjoy your boat
L H G posted 06-02-2009 03:38 PM ET (US)
A 1966 whould not have any teak on it, only thinly varnished mahogany, and left to the elements mahogany does not hold up very well.
New mahogany would be the way to go I would imagine.
motparts posted 06-02-2009 08:12 PM ET (US)
I just finished restoring my 1985 15ft super sport whaler and got my interior from Specialty marine it took a while to get and they gave me a bow light and some misc. parts for the delay. It came out great. I also got cushions for the seats as well if I can figure out how to post pics I will.
RJG posted 06-02-2009 08:55 PM ET (US)
I bought a bow hatch from Specialty Marine for my 13 sport. Service was good and product was shipped out promptly. My minor complaints are that the hatch is solid lumber, not plywood so it cupped a little. A stiff back would be my suggestion. Also the varnish used was not up to the Florida sun. Non the less I would buy from them again.
jimh posted 06-02-2009 10:21 PM ET (US)
Never heard of Specialty Marine. Nautical Lumber is a top-flight operation.
Narragansett Outrage posted 06-04-2009 09:12 AM ET (US)
I bought a set of bow lights from Specialty Marine (negotiated outside of ebay with them for a better price). They were billed as being "BOSTON WHALER CLASSIC OUTRAGE NAVIGATION BOW LIGHTS."
Although it's my own fault for not paying closer attention to the photos (ie, comparing them to the lights that are on the boat already), I have to say I'm disappointed - they are similar to the original lights (one green, one red) as a Chevy is to a Rolls (four wheels).
I won't be putting these things on my boat, so I can't say if they'd stand up to the elements as poorly as I think they would.
baba301985 posted 06-09-2009 12:00 AM ET (US)
HI Guys,
I just happened onto your site and have been reading about Jeffs trade for the Whaler 13.
I bought a new 13 in 1975 while living in Atlanta. I went to every boat show they had the six years that I lived there. While talking to a Whaler Rep he shared with me the derating of the 13 from a fifty horsepower to a forty (rated for the forty and with any larger cancelled waranty) was for safety reasons only, the transom could handle a 70 but with some nuts out there using tiller steering and too much to drink you know what would happen, a quick turn with the tiller and out the driver went.
Sad to say that i have not used my Whaler in a few years, but has always been stored with a cover or garage. I never beached the boat , NEVER beached the boat and the only two places on the hull came from lawn mowers!!!
The first was when the boat was at my in laws while i was moving got backed into with a riding mower and scraped the side, not really noticeable, but none the less was there, and the other i was cutting the grass and hit a rock and was picked up and hit the whaler and put a chip in the gelcoat about the size of a quarter.
I had a Johnson forty that never let me down, but then my father insisted on having a temp gauge installed (bought it for me and had me put it on before every using the boat) and i also ran the fuel out of the engine EVERY time i got ready to put it on the trailer. Top end was 32MPH when new.
Just thought that i would share my story. We loved (still do) the boat and my daughter road in it before being born (very careful). The only bad thing about the boat was in rough water it would or could jar your teeth out, but then that was the fun of it too.

Thanks for listening......

baba301985 posted 06-09-2009 12:01 AM ET (US)
HI Guys,
I just happened onto your site and have been reading about Jeffs trade for the Whaler 13.
I bought a new 13 in 1975 while living in Atlanta. I went to every boat show they had the six years that I lived there. While talking to a Whaler Rep he shared with me the derating of the 13 from a fifty horsepower to a forty (rated for the forty and with any larger cancelled waranty) was for safety reasons only, the transom could handle a 70 but with some nuts out there using tiller steering and too much to drink you know what would happen, a quick turn with the tiller and out the driver went.
Sad to say that i have not used my Whaler in a few years, but has always been stored with a cover or garage. I never beached the boat , NEVER beached the boat and the only two places on the hull came from lawn mowers!!!
The first was when the boat was at my in laws while i was moving got backed into with a riding mower and scraped the side, not really noticeable, but none the less was there, and the other i was cutting the grass and hit a rock and was picked up and hit the whaler and put a chip in the gelcoat about the size of a quarter.
I had a Johnson forty that never let me down, but then my father insisted on having a temp gauge installed (bought it for me and had me put it on before every using the boat) and i also ran the fuel out of the engine EVERY time i got ready to put it on the trailer. Top end was 32MPH when new.
Just thought that i would share my story. We loved (still do) the boat and my daughter road in it before being born (very careful). The only bad thing about the boat was in rough water it would or could jar your teeth out, but then that was the fun of it too.

Thanks for listening......

baba301985 posted 06-09-2009 12:02 AM ET (US)
HI Guys,
I just happened onto your site and have been reading about Jeffs trade for the Whaler 13.
I bought a new 13 in 1975 while living in Atlanta. I went to every boat show they had the six years that I lived there. While talking to a Whaler Rep he shared with me the derating of the 13 from a fifty horsepower to a forty (rated for the forty and with any larger cancelled waranty) was for safety reasons only, the transom could handle a 70 but with some nuts out there using tiller steering and too much to drink you know what would happen, a quick turn with the tiller and out the driver went.
Sad to say that i have not used my Whaler in a few years, but has always been stored with a cover or garage. I never beached the boat , NEVER beached the boat and the only two places on the hull came from lawn mowers!!!
The first was when the boat was at my in laws while i was moving got backed into with a riding mower and scraped the side, not really noticeable, but none the less was there, and the other i was cutting the grass and hit a rock and was picked up and hit the whaler and put a chip in the gelcoat about the size of a quarter.
I had a Johnson forty that never let me down, but then my father insisted on having a temp gauge installed (bought it for me and had me put it on before every using the boat) and i also ran the fuel out of the engine EVERY time i got ready to put it on the trailer. Top end was 32MPH when new.
Just thought that i would share my story. We loved (still do) the boat and my daughter road in it before being born (very careful). The only bad thing about the boat was in rough water it would or could jar your teeth out, but then that was the fun of it too.
By the way, that bow light is stock, just like mine.

Thanks for listening......

baba301985 posted 06-09-2009 12:08 AM ET (US)
one other quick note, my 13 had cable steering, never replaced the cable (guess i have been lucky) but then i have inspected it yearly for any frayed wires.

thanks...

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e_digg	posted 06-02-2009 10:31 AM ET (US) My next door neighbor sold me his Whaler that we was intending to restore himself when he retired five years ago but never got around to it. She is a 1966 by her hull #20843. It has been sitting outside for over 10 years and I don't think it has been in the water since 1991. I plan on replacing all the wood by purchasing from Specialty Marine off of eBay. Has anybody dealt with that company? As far as the hull is concearned there are cracks everywhere in the gel coat from being outside in the elements. What is suggested to fix that? Should it be repainted? There appears to be no water penetration into the hull since it weighs light. Thanks Ed
HAPPYJIM	posted 06-02-2009 10:51 AM ET (US) Before trashing the original wood, is it restorable? Most wood can be brought back to it's original beauty as long as it's not rotted. Hold back on the paint brush until you have done some reading. It is much easier to wet sand the hull than to slat a coat of paint on her. Try a small 1 square foot area with 600 wet/dry then finish with 1000 grit. If your are pleasantly surprised, and I think you will be, take on the rest of the hull, a little at a time. {url]http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/repairInstructions.html[/url] There is a wealth of info available on this site for the price of zip. Read as much as you can before you devalue that Classic. Basic things like cleaning materials have been tested over the years and will provide you much needed facts on bringing her back to tip-top shape. Start by taking pictures of her for before and after story. This will also help in diagnosing problems and the easiest way to fix them.
Buckda	posted 06-02-2009 10:55 AM ET (US) I agree with Jim. I'm not familiar with Specialty Marine, but have seen first-hand the quality of work and finish done by Nautical Lumber. I'd check with Mike Stennett at Nautical Lumber - he's willing to work with you and will deliver the wood in any state that you wish (i.e. cut, assembled and finished or cut and packaged with instructions - your choice - any stage in between). Good luck - sounds like a good find. Dave
Jeff	posted 06-02-2009 11:16 AM ET (US) E, As for the wood. If you want an interior of the highest quality and finish I would recommend Nautical Lumber. As Dave stated Mike is willing to work with his customers to provide custom elements as well as anything else to meet your needs. All of his interiors and hand made and finished in his shop and not outsourced. www.nauticallumber.com As for the cracking. It should be all cosmetic. Honestly the only way to get rid of them is to dermal them out and fill them with a gelcoat patch material. Or, grind them out fill with a polyester filler and sanded out then respray with paint or gelcoat. Here is a thread on my project 13. You can see the pit I started with and where it is now. http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/015945.html
R T M	posted 06-02-2009 12:11 PM ET (US) As far as the hull is concearned there are cracks everywhere in the gel coat from being outside in the elements You can`t buff out the spider cracks. Grinding then off, and regel or paint is the only solution. rich/Binkie
Tohsgib	posted 06-02-2009 12:23 PM ET (US) Obviously not a barn find ;)
deepwater	posted 06-02-2009 03:22 PM ET (US) It sounds like you found a gem in the rough,, you can go total factory or functional restore ,,just ignore the Monday morning quarterbacks and enjoy your boat
L H G	posted 06-02-2009 03:38 PM ET (US) A 1966 whould not have any teak on it, only thinly varnished mahogany, and left to the elements mahogany does not hold up very well. New mahogany would be the way to go I would imagine.
motparts	posted 06-02-2009 08:12 PM ET (US) I just finished restoring my 1985 15ft super sport whaler and got my interior from Specialty marine it took a while to get and they gave me a bow light and some misc. parts for the delay. It came out great. I also got cushions for the seats as well if I can figure out how to post pics I will.
RJG	posted 06-02-2009 08:55 PM ET (US) I bought a bow hatch from Specialty Marine for my 13 sport. Service was good and product was shipped out promptly. My minor complaints are that the hatch is solid lumber, not plywood so it cupped a little. A stiff back would be my suggestion. Also the varnish used was not up to the Florida sun. Non the less I would buy from them again.
jimh	posted 06-02-2009 10:21 PM ET (US) Never heard of Specialty Marine. Nautical Lumber is a top-flight operation.
Narragansett Outrage	posted 06-04-2009 09:12 AM ET (US) I bought a set of bow lights from Specialty Marine (negotiated outside of ebay with them for a better price). They were billed as being "BOSTON WHALER CLASSIC OUTRAGE NAVIGATION BOW LIGHTS." Although it's my own fault for not paying closer attention to the photos (ie, comparing them to the lights that are on the boat already), I have to say I'm disappointed - they are similar to the original lights (one green, one red) as a Chevy is to a Rolls (four wheels). I won't be putting these things on my boat, so I can't say if they'd stand up to the elements as poorly as I think they would.
baba301985	posted 06-09-2009 12:00 AM ET (US) HI Guys, I just happened onto your site and have been reading about Jeffs trade for the Whaler 13. I bought a new 13 in 1975 while living in Atlanta. I went to every boat show they had the six years that I lived there. While talking to a Whaler Rep he shared with me the derating of the 13 from a fifty horsepower to a forty (rated for the forty and with any larger cancelled waranty) was for safety reasons only, the transom could handle a 70 but with some nuts out there using tiller steering and too much to drink you know what would happen, a quick turn with the tiller and out the driver went. Sad to say that i have not used my Whaler in a few years, but has always been stored with a cover or garage. I never beached the boat , NEVER beached the boat and the only two places on the hull came from lawn mowers!!! The first was when the boat was at my in laws while i was moving got backed into with a riding mower and scraped the side, not really noticeable, but none the less was there, and the other i was cutting the grass and hit a rock and was picked up and hit the whaler and put a chip in the gelcoat about the size of a quarter. I had a Johnson forty that never let me down, but then my father insisted on having a temp gauge installed (bought it for me and had me put it on before every using the boat) and i also ran the fuel out of the engine EVERY time i got ready to put it on the trailer. Top end was 32MPH when new. Just thought that i would share my story. We loved (still do) the boat and my daughter road in it before being born (very careful). The only bad thing about the boat was in rough water it would or could jar your teeth out, but then that was the fun of it too. Thanks for listening......
baba301985	posted 06-09-2009 12:01 AM ET (US) HI Guys, I just happened onto your site and have been reading about Jeffs trade for the Whaler 13. I bought a new 13 in 1975 while living in Atlanta. I went to every boat show they had the six years that I lived there. While talking to a Whaler Rep he shared with me the derating of the 13 from a fifty horsepower to a forty (rated for the forty and with any larger cancelled waranty) was for safety reasons only, the transom could handle a 70 but with some nuts out there using tiller steering and too much to drink you know what would happen, a quick turn with the tiller and out the driver went. Sad to say that i have not used my Whaler in a few years, but has always been stored with a cover or garage. I never beached the boat , NEVER beached the boat and the only two places on the hull came from lawn mowers!!! The first was when the boat was at my in laws while i was moving got backed into with a riding mower and scraped the side, not really noticeable, but none the less was there, and the other i was cutting the grass and hit a rock and was picked up and hit the whaler and put a chip in the gelcoat about the size of a quarter. I had a Johnson forty that never let me down, but then my father insisted on having a temp gauge installed (bought it for me and had me put it on before every using the boat) and i also ran the fuel out of the engine EVERY time i got ready to put it on the trailer. Top end was 32MPH when new. Just thought that i would share my story. We loved (still do) the boat and my daughter road in it before being born (very careful). The only bad thing about the boat was in rough water it would or could jar your teeth out, but then that was the fun of it too. Thanks for listening......
baba301985	posted 06-09-2009 12:02 AM ET (US) HI Guys, I just happened onto your site and have been reading about Jeffs trade for the Whaler 13. I bought a new 13 in 1975 while living in Atlanta. I went to every boat show they had the six years that I lived there. While talking to a Whaler Rep he shared with me the derating of the 13 from a fifty horsepower to a forty (rated for the forty and with any larger cancelled waranty) was for safety reasons only, the transom could handle a 70 but with some nuts out there using tiller steering and too much to drink you know what would happen, a quick turn with the tiller and out the driver went. Sad to say that i have not used my Whaler in a few years, but has always been stored with a cover or garage. I never beached the boat , NEVER beached the boat and the only two places on the hull came from lawn mowers!!! The first was when the boat was at my in laws while i was moving got backed into with a riding mower and scraped the side, not really noticeable, but none the less was there, and the other i was cutting the grass and hit a rock and was picked up and hit the whaler and put a chip in the gelcoat about the size of a quarter. I had a Johnson forty that never let me down, but then my father insisted on having a temp gauge installed (bought it for me and had me put it on before every using the boat) and i also ran the fuel out of the engine EVERY time i got ready to put it on the trailer. Top end was 32MPH when new. Just thought that i would share my story. We loved (still do) the boat and my daughter road in it before being born (very careful). The only bad thing about the boat was in rough water it would or could jar your teeth out, but then that was the fun of it too. By the way, that bow light is stock, just like mine. Thanks for listening......
baba301985	posted 06-09-2009 12:08 AM ET (US) one other quick note, my 13 had cable steering, never replaced the cable (guess i have been lucky) but then i have inspected it yearly for any frayed wires. thanks...