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uncle bob posted 07-03-2009 04:30 PM ET (US)
any sugestions on what to do about teak w/splitz...
looks like in places someone had drilled some hole in the
splitz. (i'm told to stop them from spliting any more)
the question is... do we fill them, leave em for charater
anybody have any ideas????
these are the seat planks for like a BW 13', & consol
pglein posted 07-06-2009 02:56 PM ET (US)
13' Whaler seats are made of mahogany, not teak. If they are split, the prefered method is usually to replace them. Sourcing dimensional mahogany of that size is very difficult (though certainly easier than teak). A skilled woodworker might be able to repair a split, but it's not something the average Joe will usually have much luck with.
This is why it is so important to keep the varnish on these seats in good condition.
THathaway posted 07-06-2009 09:14 PM ET (US)
If the split is straight you can rip the board down on a table saw in the exact location of the split and then use a exterior wood glue to put it back together. If you have to replace it and have a hard time finding affordable mahogany you can buy Utily which is an African exotic wood that looks just like mahogany but at a fraction of the cost(I think it looks better than mahogany once the finish is on it). This also comes in wide boards to make it easier on you.
Good luck
Troy
jimh posted 07-06-2009 09:26 PM ET (US)
Y'all ever think about using plastic woo
R T M posted 07-06-2009 09:51 PM ET (US)
Troy's idea is a good one, but I would screw 3 cleats made of 1x4 under the seat perpendicular to the seat for extra strength. The original Philippine mahogany seats would sometimes crack or split if someone would jump into the boat from a high dock and land on a seat. The common replacement for Philippine mahogany is Sapele which is more dense, and harder, and more difficult to break.

rich/Binkie
PeteB88 posted 07-07-2009 05:43 AM ET (US)
You should be able to repair with thickened marine epoxy, careful clamping and possibly with RTM's bracing idea. The mating surfaces of split should have enough surface area and texture. I fixed a hatch cover years ago on my 13 that gets sat on, stepped on etc all the time using the same technique. Post or send photos.
PeteB88 posted 07-07-2009 05:45 AM ET (US)
I don't think I'd use exterior wood glue.
Tom Hemphill posted 07-07-2009 08:24 AM ET (US)
Through negligence, the top and side of the console in my 13-foot Sport became split. I used a jointer to true the edges and reassembled using a glued and dowelled joint. The seam is almost invisible and it should be plenty strong.
I would be reluctant to fasten perpendicular cleats on a wide board, as they would fight the wood's tendency to expand and contract in width with environment changes.
Mr T posted 07-07-2009 11:04 AM ET (US)
I used west marine penetrating epoxy on the original mahogany on my nauset console, really happy with the results, Wicked in very well, and solid as a rock.
uncle bob posted 07-07-2009 03:49 PM ET (US)
still in the sanding mode... I'll take a good look@ the splitz, I know the consol has some splitz also
now if I rip the boards & re-glue (anyone ever use gorrilla glue) consol I can do, seats might have more than one split maybe take some pix
hope yall got out over the weekend.....bob fla
R T M posted 07-07-2009 04:48 PM ET (US)
Gorilla glue is great stuff. Just be sure you clamp your work immediately after gluing, and use the glue sparingly. My console was glued and screwed using gorilla glue.
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/floridaboy2053/Whaler%20repair/ console.jpg
Gorilla glue works great for filling old screw holes in decks and other flat surfaces. The damp foam will activate it, or if its dry, just a drop of water in the screw hole. This is material for another thread.
rich/Binkie
Stevebaz posted 07-07-2009 05:04 PM ET (US)
here is an address to see how the artists treat split boards.
http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f2/butterfly-inlays-split-boards-7263/
modenacart posted 07-07-2009 05:31 PM ET (US)
Its common to stop drill cracks in metal, I would expect the same with wood. You are redistributing the load when you stop drill.

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Author	Topic: teak wood splitz
uncle bob	posted 07-03-2009 04:30 PM ET (US) any sugestions on what to do about teak w/splitz... looks like in places someone had drilled some hole in the splitz. (i'm told to stop them from spliting any more) the question is... do we fill them, leave em for charater anybody have any ideas???? these are the seat planks for like a BW 13', & consol
pglein	posted 07-06-2009 02:56 PM ET (US) 13' Whaler seats are made of mahogany, not teak. If they are split, the prefered method is usually to replace them. Sourcing dimensional mahogany of that size is very difficult (though certainly easier than teak). A skilled woodworker might be able to repair a split, but it's not something the average Joe will usually have much luck with. This is why it is so important to keep the varnish on these seats in good condition.
THathaway	posted 07-06-2009 09:14 PM ET (US) If the split is straight you can rip the board down on a table saw in the exact location of the split and then use a exterior wood glue to put it back together. If you have to replace it and have a hard time finding affordable mahogany you can buy Utily which is an African exotic wood that looks just like mahogany but at a fraction of the cost(I think it looks better than mahogany once the finish is on it). This also comes in wide boards to make it easier on you. Good luck Troy
jimh	posted 07-06-2009 09:26 PM ET (US) Y'all ever think about using plastic woo
R T M	posted 07-06-2009 09:51 PM ET (US) Troy's idea is a good one, but I would screw 3 cleats made of 1x4 under the seat perpendicular to the seat for extra strength. The original Philippine mahogany seats would sometimes crack or split if someone would jump into the boat from a high dock and land on a seat. The common replacement for Philippine mahogany is Sapele which is more dense, and harder, and more difficult to break. rich/Binkie
PeteB88	posted 07-07-2009 05:43 AM ET (US) You should be able to repair with thickened marine epoxy, careful clamping and possibly with RTM's bracing idea. The mating surfaces of split should have enough surface area and texture. I fixed a hatch cover years ago on my 13 that gets sat on, stepped on etc all the time using the same technique. Post or send photos.
PeteB88	posted 07-07-2009 05:45 AM ET (US) I don't think I'd use exterior wood glue.
Tom Hemphill	posted 07-07-2009 08:24 AM ET (US) Through negligence, the top and side of the console in my 13-foot Sport became split. I used a jointer to true the edges and reassembled using a glued and dowelled joint. The seam is almost invisible and it should be plenty strong. I would be reluctant to fasten perpendicular cleats on a wide board, as they would fight the wood's tendency to expand and contract in width with environment changes.
Mr T	posted 07-07-2009 11:04 AM ET (US) I used west marine penetrating epoxy on the original mahogany on my nauset console, really happy with the results, Wicked in very well, and solid as a rock.
uncle bob	posted 07-07-2009 03:49 PM ET (US) still in the sanding mode... I'll take a good look@ the splitz, I know the consol has some splitz also now if I rip the boards & re-glue (anyone ever use gorrilla glue) consol I can do, seats might have more than one split maybe take some pix hope yall got out over the weekend.....bob fla
R T M	posted 07-07-2009 04:48 PM ET (US) Gorilla glue is great stuff. Just be sure you clamp your work immediately after gluing, and use the glue sparingly. My console was glued and screwed using gorilla glue. http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c191/floridaboy2053/Whaler%20repair/ console.jpg Gorilla glue works great for filling old screw holes in decks and other flat surfaces. The damp foam will activate it, or if its dry, just a drop of water in the screw hole. This is material for another thread. rich/Binkie
Stevebaz	posted 07-07-2009 05:04 PM ET (US) here is an address to see how the artists treat split boards. http://www.woodworkingtalk.com/f2/butterfly-inlays-split-boards-7263/
modenacart	posted 07-07-2009 05:31 PM ET (US) Its common to stop drill cracks in metal, I would expect the same with wood. You are redistributing the load when you stop drill.