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Topic: 90 Mercury ELPTO Stalling Problem
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gioleo |
posted 01-31-2010 06:24 PM ET (US)
I have a 2004 Mercury 90 ELPTO. This is the two-cycle motor and it is mounted on a 1991 Montauk. When the boat is idling and I go to jump on it the motor cuts out. If I bring up the throttle slowly it runs great through the full throttle range up to 5,400-RPM. The motor runs and idles really great otherwise. I have a 20-Pitch Mercury High 5 prop on it. I am starting to get the boat ready for the Spring and was hoping to take care of this problem. Your forum has been very helpful in the past and I am hoping that there are Mercury guys out there that can help. Thanks, John
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fishgutz
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posted 01-31-2010 09:52 PM ET (US)
I had the same problem with my Mercury 75ELPTO(same motor, carbed different). I found out my gas wasn't very fresh and clean. It took a tank treated with Seafoam to cure the problem. Ran pretty bad for a tankful. I started using Sta-bil and Mercury Quicklean in EVERY tank. I haven't had a single incident since. Engine runs great. |
kwik_wurk
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posted 01-31-2010 11:06 PM ET (US)
I have to theories both tied to the carbs (and fuel). A small adjustment is hopefully all you need.First Theory - The idle fuel mixture is a little on the lean side. When you go to "punch it" there isn't enough fuel with the increase air volume, and the motor starves and cuts out. To fix this, adjust each idle screw on the carbs. My guess is you don't need much, may a 1/8 of a turn CC. (Make sure to note exactly the position the screw started. You may want to return to that point) -- And you can adjust the screws while in idle. You don't want to run to rich, and dump too much fuel in; you can hear the engine bog down when this happens. (Nor do you want to run lean, and not provide enough oil.) Second - The carbs are simple dirty (and maybe the fuel is old too). Run some fuel cleaner. Quickleen is the Merc brand, but anything similar will work. (Just make sure it is meant for 2-S.) |
jimh
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posted 01-31-2010 11:10 PM ET (US)
Move to REPAIRS/MODS. |
jimh
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posted 01-31-2010 11:12 PM ET (US)
Check your spark plug gap. |
gioleo
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posted 02-01-2010 08:54 AM ET (US)
Thanks, for the replies. I have new spark plugs in it now and I will make sure they are gapped properly. I will also try running a tank of Quickleen and hopefully that will solve my problem before I start messing with the idle screws. |
Newtauk1
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posted 02-01-2010 07:03 PM ET (US)
Those motors use gapped plugs? Double chech that. |
fishgutz
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posted 02-01-2010 10:12 PM ET (US)
My 2000 Mercury 75 ELPTO does NOT use a gapped plug. It is called a "Surface Discharge" plug by NGK. |
jimh
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posted 02-01-2010 10:15 PM ET (US)
Yes, I was wondering (after I offered advice to check the spark gap) if this motor was set up with the very wide surface gap (also known as gap-less) spark plugs seen on many Mercury outboards. The reason I mention spark gap--in several years of running my two-cycle carburetor motor, I noticed that whenever the motor seemed to have a tendency to stumble on acceleration, the spark plug gap was always out of tolerance, that is, wider than the recommended setting. Returning the spark plug gap to the recommended (and narrower) setting produced an improvement in the motor under hard acceleration. Of course, insufficient fuel supply is also a very likely cause of trouble in getting the motor to accelerate. I am not familiar with the carburetor set up on Mercury motors. I don't know if they have any sort of fuel enrichment circuit that tries to assist acceleration. Dirty carburetors and poor fuel quality are very likely causes. However, I think it is reasonable to verify the spark plug condition, too. |
L H G
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posted 02-02-2010 01:44 AM ET (US)
Bogging down on acceleration is almost always the result of carb low speed jets set too lean. Alcohol in fuel can affect this also.On each carb, turn jet clockwise until they seat lightly in a full lean situation. Then back off 1-1/2 turns counter clockwise. This should provide a smooth idle and smooth acceleration. You can then further fine tune the adjustment, if necessary, with the engine ilding in gear at 600 RPM. If this doesn't work, have your carbs fully serviced by a dealership. You could have clogged jets and fuel passages leaning out the mixture. |
gioleo
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posted 02-03-2010 08:58 AM ET (US)
I checked the plugs and they are the proper plugs - NGK BUHW-2, so I will not need to gap the plugs. Come Spring, I will run a tank of quickleen with fresh gas.(I read some of the past posts and this is something I will be doing on a regular basis.) If necessary I will adjust the carbs, as per LHG's advice. Hopefully this will solve my problem. Do you think it would also be beneficial to 'decarb' the engine or is running the quickleen sufficient? Thanks again, guys for all the help. |
jimh
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posted 02-03-2010 09:49 AM ET (US)
Can you adjust the carburetors on a modern Mercury 90 ELPTO two-cycle? I would have thought the EPA would have required that the carburetor adjustments be blocked from adjustment. |
L H G
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posted 02-03-2010 02:51 PM ET (US)
Yes. |
Newtauk1
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posted 02-03-2010 06:43 PM ET (US)
I found that these carbs need to be adjusted almost every season. I have my mechanic do it. The lower carb seems to clog first. |
jimh
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posted 02-03-2010 08:27 PM ET (US)
I think Larry answered my first question--can the carburetors be adjusted. I guess it is always possible to adjust them. My real question was: does a late model Mercury 90 ELPTO have any anti-tamper hardware installed that tries to prevent you from adjusting the carburetors? |
Newtauk1
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posted 02-03-2010 08:31 PM ET (US)
No. No anti-tampering hardware. |