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dlschutz posted 04-12-2010 01:54 PM ET (US)
Hello all. I have a [1985] Revenge 22 Cuddy with a OMC 225-HP and Yamaha 9.9 kicker. The boat really needs trim tabs, oddly enough lists to starboard under load, despite kicker on port side.[Give] advice and pictures [of] a sucessful trim tab install. Thanks to all, Dave
Dauntless 180 posted 04-12-2010 02:08 PM ET (US)
I had Lenco's on my Sea Hunt and just had them installed on my Dauntless. I found them very nice.
jimh posted 04-12-2010 08:43 PM ET (US)
Read the REFERENCE article:
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/trimTabs.html
Once you figure out where to put them, installation is just a matter of following the instructions that come with the tabs.
RevengeFamily posted 04-13-2010 06:16 AM ET (US)
How does your Revenge sit at the dock?
Every Revenge 22W/T I've seen tied to a dock lists to starboard about 1/2 inch. Not sure why. Underway mine is as level as the water.
Jeff posted 04-13-2010 12:41 PM ET (US)
I ran my 1985 Boston Whaler 22' Outrage for three years without trim tabs. I thought the boat ran fine without them. However, after I installed the 9x9 standard mount lencos I wondered why I did not install them sooner.
Things I noticed between running the boat with and without tabs were:
-I loved that I could plane the boat off at 9mph with the tabs fully down. Running the hull at super low RPM and MPH on plane was great on fuel and provide a nice slow cruise.
-I could flatten the boat out while running in heavy cross wind.
-When running into head on seas I could put the bow right down and cut through the chop instead of pounding my way through it.
-At the top end I saw a slight MPH increase by being able to bring the bow down just a touch.
The lenco trim tabs were super easy install with no hydraulic hoses and fluid and they responded so much quicker then all the hydraulic bennetts I had run on past boats.
My father liked them so much my father bought a lenco retrofit kit for his bennetts on his Guardian. The bennetts he had were never working correctly and the lines and reservoir were leaking hydraulic fluid all over inside the console. Just a pain to deal with and repair. I would never install a set of bennett tabs on a classic whaler.
Here are some photos of the installation of the Standard Mount Lenco 9x9 Trim Tabs on my Boston Whaler 22' Outrage:
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/ Trim%20tabs%20on%2022%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage/
acseatsri posted 04-13-2010 06:02 PM ET (US)
Ditto what Jeff said, but I would opt for the 12 x 12's instead of 9 x 9's (I have these installed on my 22' Outrage).
Bennett M120 Sport tabs would also be an excellent choice, as I had these on my 18' Outrage
Jeff posted 04-13-2010 09:36 PM ET (US)
Sorry, I had the Standard 9x12's NOT the 9x9's. They were more than ample.
dlschutz posted 04-14-2010 10:28 AM ET (US)
Thanks to all, I was most concerned about clearance between port tab and kicker. Clearly there's room enough, thanks for all the pics and info. Everybody convinced on the Lenco rig?
Tom W Clark posted 04-14-2010 11:15 AM ET (US)
I prefer my Bennetts for their simplicity and reliability.
jimp posted 04-14-2010 11:51 AM ET (US)
My 1990 Revenge 22 W.T. has 9x12 Insta-Trim tabs that are fine.
I primarily use mine to eliminate "list" (don't need a lot of tab for that). Most bow-up, bow-down action is accomplished by trimming the engine up or down (in or out).
Jeff's comments are accurate. I can plane at 8 knots (9.2 mph).
JimP
acseatsri posted 04-14-2010 07:43 PM ET (US)
After having both Lenco and Bennetts, I would go back to the Bennett M120's. These are 10" wide X 12" long, but because of the design, they give more lift than just straight tabs.
If you opt for the Bennetts, you will need longer hoses if you want to mount the pump in the console. Bennett sent them to me at no charge. Their product support is second to none.
dlschutz posted 04-16-2010 10:33 AM ET (US)
Well alrighty then.... I'm about to [make a decision] here and go with the Lencos.
Last three questions (I think):
1. Standard or edge mount?
2. 9x9, 9x12 or other? (Again, 225 OMC, 9.9 Yammy kicker)
3. Where to buy, best deal, solid vendor.
4. Reasonable switch choice, i.e. best fit, function, price. I was stunned when I priced the Lenco switches, hard to swallow that they have to cost that much... But if you guys say so I'll go with their's
Thanks to all I very much appreciate and respect your input. I look forward to additional wisdom....
Dave
dlschutz posted 04-16-2010 10:46 AM ET (US)
Some housekeeping notes to contributors:
I have had good luck with Bennetts too and have them on my Grady. I wanna go eletric on the Whaler, as there's already too much fluid and oil on the boat. I'm reasonably sure they will be more responsive. The Grady is big and heavy, gradual and hydrolic is better on that one... I think...
As to Whaler list, yes it does list an inch or so to starboard. It's a very dry, well kept vessel, so don't really know what's up there. It's a Rockland built boat, down the street from where I live, so might have been "soled" with a couple cases of beer underneath.... If I run out on the water, I shall investigate this possibility.
More later.......
Dave
Jeff posted 04-16-2010 11:02 AM ET (US)
#1 Standard Mount
#2 9x12 no need of 12x12's
#3 I think mine came from boatfix.com. Since I sold the boat I no longer have the paper work.
#4 I had the electric light up indicator switch and loved it. Do you really "NEED" it nope. The stand one is just fine.
number9 posted 04-16-2010 11:05 AM ET (US)
After hearing all the positives of both Bennetts and Lencos they both sound like excellent choices. I do believe if a boat is stored in the water that Bennetts may be a better choice.
Jeff posted 04-16-2010 11:05 AM ET (US)
TABS:
http://www.boatfix.com/shop3/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=32061
STANDARD SWITCH:
http://www.boatfix.com/shop3/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=32098
INDICATOR SWITCH:
http://www.boatfix.com/shop3/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=31561
andygere posted 04-16-2010 11:11 AM ET (US)
The price of the trim tabs seems quite reasonable, but the price of the indicator switch is outrageous. It's 70% of the price for the tabs. Anybody have an idea why a simple switch with an LED indicator is so bloody expensive?
acseatsri posted 04-16-2010 05:49 PM ET (US)
I think the indicator switch is very richly priced for what it does. There really is no need for it.
I would opt for the 12 x 12's- standard mounts. You may not need them, but it's always nice to have the extra lift available if you need it (a couple "jumbo's" in the back seat?).
PS- The actuator cylinder mount will most likely end up with 2 screws into the solid transom and one screw will need a shim to level out the step in the transom.
dlschutz posted 04-24-2010 07:53 PM ET (US)
Again, thanks to all. I've decided to go with the Lenco 9 x 12 standard-mount [trim tabs], including the incredibly overpriced LED switch--what's another $150 or so? Ordering next week, so still time for "I told you so."
Will report back in with results. Again, thanks to all,
Dave
Hingham, MA
dlschutz posted 04-29-2010 01:23 PM ET (US)
On second (or was it third?)thought....
Have gone back and forth with a couple of you guys and am now convinced: 12X12 edgemounts...
Will check in again when the job's complete......
Thanks to all!
Dave
Jeff posted 04-29-2010 04:05 PM ET (US)
I can say with conviction, the 9x12's will provide more than enough surface area for what you are using them for.
dlschutz posted 04-29-2010 05:24 PM ET (US)
Thanks Jeff. I will think on this some more. Maybe get the 12X12 and cut them down to 10 1/2" and everyone will agree? I will think on this. Best--Dave
SJUAE posted 04-30-2010 04:36 AM ET (US)
I don't think there much too choose between Bennett or Lenco
I thing the speed of travel is a bit overrated and so too the electrical in water argument.
My reason for opting for Bennett M120 sports tabs was
1) No exposed cables on the transom
2) The Sports tab design seemed to channel the flow of water and may help reduce turbulence interference
3) Bennett offer different pin lengths allowing variance in locations and travel
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Trim%20Tabs/tab1.jpg
http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Trim%20Tabs/tab4.jpg
Enjoy your Lenco's
Regards
Steve

jimh posted 04-30-2010 09:40 AM ET (US)
Some terms used in this discussion were not familiar to me. I had to investigate a bit to discover their meaning:
Edge-mount appears to refer to the location on a Lenco tab where the actuator is attached. The edge-mount models have the actuator attached near the trailing edge of the tab, which results in the other end of the actuator being attached to the transom at a lower height. This design is useful if there is a limitation on the height available on the transom above the tab for attachment of the actuator. Curiously, edge-mount tabs also have the side and trailing edge of the tab curled upward, perhaps to add rigidity.
Sport Tab appears to refer to a Bennett trim tab design in which the side edges of the tab are bent downward and the tab itself includes a curved or bent surface. The M80 and M120 Sport Tabs are said to be useful on 17-foot to 23-foot boats. The bent wing design is said to provide more lift than conventional flat surface trim tabs. The Sport Tab is also smaller than the convention flat tab.
Jeff posted 04-30-2010 01:27 PM ET (US)
The Standard Mount Lenco's have a similar bent profile to the Bennett sport tabs minus the two perpendicular fin surfaces at the sides.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/ Trim%20tabs%20on%2022%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage/?action=view& current=DSCN4432.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/ Trim%20tabs%20on%2022%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage/?action=view& current=DSCN4478.jpg
jkweigand posted 05-05-2010 09:12 AM ET (US)
I just installed Lenco 9x9. and I had trouble with the plug near the motor (not the switch) not making a connection. Got that figured out. Now I'm thinking I'll eliminate the plug altogether and wire the black and white wires together leaving only one plug nearer to the switch. Any problem doing that?
How fast do the tabs extend or retract? Once I got the tabs to work, they would move immediately upon depressing the switch. You could hear the actuators "turning," but the tabs moved rather slowly up or down. Is that to be expected? I've never had tabs or seen them work on someone's boat.
Still trying to figure out what wire to connect to to get the "auto-retract" (orange wire from the switch control box) working. I have a Yamaha 225 OX66 two-cycle outboard. I called LENCO, they said green wire to tachometer but that didn't work. Maybe I didn't get it spliced correctly. I still need to investigate. Am I on the right track?
Dauntless 180 posted 05-07-2010 09:11 PM ET (US)
I have the same tabs. If I were to guess it takes about 5 to 7 seconds to go from full up to full down. I would think if they went too fast if would make it harder to control.
LINK
dlschutz posted 05-10-2010 02:06 PM ET (US)
[Suggested another thread for] direction on what to do with that pesky ORANGE lead.--Dave
whaler131 posted 05-13-2010 11:41 AM ET (US)
I added a jack plate on to my 1988 22 outrage. It helped a lot on gas and high waves. not to say what it has done for the flats in Fl. Next thing I want to do is add tabs.

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Author	Topic: REVENGE 22 Cuddy: Adding Trim Tabs
dlschutz	posted 04-12-2010 01:54 PM ET (US) Hello all. I have a [1985] Revenge 22 Cuddy with a OMC 225-HP and Yamaha 9.9 kicker. The boat really needs trim tabs, oddly enough lists to starboard under load, despite kicker on port side.[Give] advice and pictures [of] a sucessful trim tab install. Thanks to all, Dave
Dauntless 180	posted 04-12-2010 02:08 PM ET (US) I had Lenco's on my Sea Hunt and just had them installed on my Dauntless. I found them very nice.
jimh	posted 04-12-2010 08:43 PM ET (US) Read the REFERENCE article: http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/trimTabs.html Once you figure out where to put them, installation is just a matter of following the instructions that come with the tabs.
RevengeFamily	posted 04-13-2010 06:16 AM ET (US) How does your Revenge sit at the dock? Every Revenge 22W/T I've seen tied to a dock lists to starboard about 1/2 inch. Not sure why. Underway mine is as level as the water.
Jeff	posted 04-13-2010 12:41 PM ET (US) I ran my 1985 Boston Whaler 22' Outrage for three years without trim tabs. I thought the boat ran fine without them. However, after I installed the 9x9 standard mount lencos I wondered why I did not install them sooner. Things I noticed between running the boat with and without tabs were: -I loved that I could plane the boat off at 9mph with the tabs fully down. Running the hull at super low RPM and MPH on plane was great on fuel and provide a nice slow cruise. -I could flatten the boat out while running in heavy cross wind. -When running into head on seas I could put the bow right down and cut through the chop instead of pounding my way through it. -At the top end I saw a slight MPH increase by being able to bring the bow down just a touch. The lenco trim tabs were super easy install with no hydraulic hoses and fluid and they responded so much quicker then all the hydraulic bennetts I had run on past boats. My father liked them so much my father bought a lenco retrofit kit for his bennetts on his Guardian. The bennetts he had were never working correctly and the lines and reservoir were leaking hydraulic fluid all over inside the console. Just a pain to deal with and repair. I would never install a set of bennett tabs on a classic whaler. Here are some photos of the installation of the Standard Mount Lenco 9x9 Trim Tabs on my Boston Whaler 22' Outrage: http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/ Trim%20tabs%20on%2022%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage/
acseatsri	posted 04-13-2010 06:02 PM ET (US) Ditto what Jeff said, but I would opt for the 12 x 12's instead of 9 x 9's (I have these installed on my 22' Outrage). Bennett M120 Sport tabs would also be an excellent choice, as I had these on my 18' Outrage
Jeff	posted 04-13-2010 09:36 PM ET (US) Sorry, I had the Standard 9x12's NOT the 9x9's. They were more than ample.
dlschutz	posted 04-14-2010 10:28 AM ET (US) Thanks to all, I was most concerned about clearance between port tab and kicker. Clearly there's room enough, thanks for all the pics and info. Everybody convinced on the Lenco rig?
Tom W Clark	posted 04-14-2010 11:15 AM ET (US) I prefer my Bennetts for their simplicity and reliability.
jimp	posted 04-14-2010 11:51 AM ET (US) My 1990 Revenge 22 W.T. has 9x12 Insta-Trim tabs that are fine. I primarily use mine to eliminate "list" (don't need a lot of tab for that). Most bow-up, bow-down action is accomplished by trimming the engine up or down (in or out). Jeff's comments are accurate. I can plane at 8 knots (9.2 mph). JimP
acseatsri	posted 04-14-2010 07:43 PM ET (US) After having both Lenco and Bennetts, I would go back to the Bennett M120's. These are 10" wide X 12" long, but because of the design, they give more lift than just straight tabs. If you opt for the Bennetts, you will need longer hoses if you want to mount the pump in the console. Bennett sent them to me at no charge. Their product support is second to none.
dlschutz	posted 04-16-2010 10:33 AM ET (US) Well alrighty then.... I'm about to [make a decision] here and go with the Lencos. Last three questions (I think): 1. Standard or edge mount? 2. 9x9, 9x12 or other? (Again, 225 OMC, 9.9 Yammy kicker) 3. Where to buy, best deal, solid vendor. 4. Reasonable switch choice, i.e. best fit, function, price. I was stunned when I priced the Lenco switches, hard to swallow that they have to cost that much... But if you guys say so I'll go with their's Thanks to all I very much appreciate and respect your input. I look forward to additional wisdom.... Dave
dlschutz	posted 04-16-2010 10:46 AM ET (US) Some housekeeping notes to contributors: I have had good luck with Bennetts too and have them on my Grady. I wanna go eletric on the Whaler, as there's already too much fluid and oil on the boat. I'm reasonably sure they will be more responsive. The Grady is big and heavy, gradual and hydrolic is better on that one... I think... As to Whaler list, yes it does list an inch or so to starboard. It's a very dry, well kept vessel, so don't really know what's up there. It's a Rockland built boat, down the street from where I live, so might have been "soled" with a couple cases of beer underneath.... If I run out on the water, I shall investigate this possibility. More later....... Dave
Jeff	posted 04-16-2010 11:02 AM ET (US) #1 Standard Mount #2 9x12 no need of 12x12's #3 I think mine came from boatfix.com. Since I sold the boat I no longer have the paper work. #4 I had the electric light up indicator switch and loved it. Do you really "NEED" it nope. The stand one is just fine.
number9	posted 04-16-2010 11:05 AM ET (US) After hearing all the positives of both Bennetts and Lencos they both sound like excellent choices. I do believe if a boat is stored in the water that Bennetts may be a better choice.
Jeff	posted 04-16-2010 11:05 AM ET (US) TABS: http://www.boatfix.com/shop3/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=32061 STANDARD SWITCH: http://www.boatfix.com/shop3/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=32098 INDICATOR SWITCH: http://www.boatfix.com/shop3/store/viewItem.asp?idProduct=31561
andygere	posted 04-16-2010 11:11 AM ET (US) The price of the trim tabs seems quite reasonable, but the price of the indicator switch is outrageous. It's 70% of the price for the tabs. Anybody have an idea why a simple switch with an LED indicator is so bloody expensive?
acseatsri	posted 04-16-2010 05:49 PM ET (US) I think the indicator switch is very richly priced for what it does. There really is no need for it. I would opt for the 12 x 12's- standard mounts. You may not need them, but it's always nice to have the extra lift available if you need it (a couple "jumbo's" in the back seat?). PS- The actuator cylinder mount will most likely end up with 2 screws into the solid transom and one screw will need a shim to level out the step in the transom.
dlschutz	posted 04-24-2010 07:53 PM ET (US) Again, thanks to all. I've decided to go with the Lenco 9 x 12 standard-mount [trim tabs], including the incredibly overpriced LED switch--what's another $150 or so? Ordering next week, so still time for "I told you so." Will report back in with results. Again, thanks to all, Dave Hingham, MA
dlschutz	posted 04-29-2010 01:23 PM ET (US) On second (or was it third?)thought.... Have gone back and forth with a couple of you guys and am now convinced: 12X12 edgemounts... Will check in again when the job's complete...... Thanks to all! Dave
Jeff	posted 04-29-2010 04:05 PM ET (US) I can say with conviction, the 9x12's will provide more than enough surface area for what you are using them for.
dlschutz	posted 04-29-2010 05:24 PM ET (US) Thanks Jeff. I will think on this some more. Maybe get the 12X12 and cut them down to 10 1/2" and everyone will agree? I will think on this. Best--Dave
SJUAE	posted 04-30-2010 04:36 AM ET (US) I don't think there much too choose between Bennett or Lenco I thing the speed of travel is a bit overrated and so too the electrical in water argument. My reason for opting for Bennett M120 sports tabs was 1) No exposed cables on the transom 2) The Sports tab design seemed to channel the flow of water and may help reduce turbulence interference 3) Bennett offer different pin lengths allowing variance in locations and travel http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Trim%20Tabs/tab1.jpg http://i707.photobucket.com/albums/ww76/SJUAE/Trim%20Tabs/tab4.jpg Enjoy your Lenco's Regards Steve
jimh	posted 04-30-2010 09:40 AM ET (US) Some terms used in this discussion were not familiar to me. I had to investigate a bit to discover their meaning: Edge-mount appears to refer to the location on a Lenco tab where the actuator is attached. The edge-mount models have the actuator attached near the trailing edge of the tab, which results in the other end of the actuator being attached to the transom at a lower height. This design is useful if there is a limitation on the height available on the transom above the tab for attachment of the actuator. Curiously, edge-mount tabs also have the side and trailing edge of the tab curled upward, perhaps to add rigidity. Sport Tab appears to refer to a Bennett trim tab design in which the side edges of the tab are bent downward and the tab itself includes a curved or bent surface. The M80 and M120 Sport Tabs are said to be useful on 17-foot to 23-foot boats. The bent wing design is said to provide more lift than conventional flat surface trim tabs. The Sport Tab is also smaller than the convention flat tab.
Jeff	posted 04-30-2010 01:27 PM ET (US) The Standard Mount Lenco's have a similar bent profile to the Bennett sport tabs minus the two perpendicular fin surfaces at the sides. http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/ Trim%20tabs%20on%2022%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage/?action=view& current=DSCN4432.jpg http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v427/jeff_rohlfing/ Trim%20tabs%20on%2022%20Boston%20Whaler%20Outrage/?action=view& current=DSCN4478.jpg
jkweigand	posted 05-05-2010 09:12 AM ET (US) I just installed Lenco 9x9. and I had trouble with the plug near the motor (not the switch) not making a connection. Got that figured out. Now I'm thinking I'll eliminate the plug altogether and wire the black and white wires together leaving only one plug nearer to the switch. Any problem doing that? How fast do the tabs extend or retract? Once I got the tabs to work, they would move immediately upon depressing the switch. You could hear the actuators "turning," but the tabs moved rather slowly up or down. Is that to be expected? I've never had tabs or seen them work on someone's boat. Still trying to figure out what wire to connect to to get the "auto-retract" (orange wire from the switch control box) working. I have a Yamaha 225 OX66 two-cycle outboard. I called LENCO, they said green wire to tachometer but that didn't work. Maybe I didn't get it spliced correctly. I still need to investigate. Am I on the right track?
Dauntless 180	posted 05-07-2010 09:11 PM ET (US) I have the same tabs. If I were to guess it takes about 5 to 7 seconds to go from full up to full down. I would think if they went too fast if would make it harder to control. LINK
dlschutz	posted 05-10-2010 02:06 PM ET (US) [Suggested another thread for] direction on what to do with that pesky ORANGE lead.--Dave
whaler131	posted 05-13-2010 11:41 AM ET (US) I added a jack plate on to my 1988 22 outrage. It helped a lot on gas and high waves. not to say what it has done for the flats in Fl. Next thing I want to do is add tabs.