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montauk madness posted 08-06-2010 09:48 PM ET (US)
My 1989 200hp Yamaha on my 20' Outrage has died and I'm looking for advice on what to do now.
My first thought is to try to find another used Yamaha 2 stroke in better/newer condition and bolt it on and go. I would to have a new E-TEC but funds are too tight right now to invest that much into a engine.
Question, am I headed down the right path on getting another used 2 stroke motor with all the technology that's out there? I was happy with the performance of what I had.
Are there certain years of Yamaha's that are better than others? Do the 225's way the same? When did fuel injection start etc...?
Lastly, if I go down this road, does anyone have suggestions on where to look in the Seattle/Tacoma area?
Thanks for your time,
-Jeff

outragesteve posted 08-07-2010 12:09 AM ET (US)
Hi Jeff: Sorry to hear about the death in your family...What is your email address? I'd like to get in touch with you and the email address listed in your profile failed. Thanks
montauk madness posted 08-07-2010 01:52 AM ET (US)
Steve,
My email should work at jeff@prnw.com I leaving to fish in Canada for a few days so I have my "out of office" on. My cell is 206.650.6200
-Jeff
Tohsgib posted 08-07-2010 10:36 AM ET (US)
Jeff if you follow the marketplace you can see where I frequently post great deals on used outboards I find on craigslist....I suggest you start looking. There is really no reason to pay $2000 for a 1993 engine when you can pay $4000 for a 2000+ that has modern technology unless your budget is that tight. I can totally understand not wanting to spend $14,000 for a new e-tec but you can also find a 2006 for half. I found my 3 year old Suzuki 40 4 stroke on E-Bay for 1/3 the cost of new.
montauk madness posted 08-07-2010 03:36 PM ET (US)
Thanks Nick.
I budget isn't that tight, I'm fine in the $5,000-7,000 range but thought sticking with another Yamaha at this point made the most sense in regards to reusing the controls and gauges.
Thanks,
Jeff
Martino posted 08-07-2010 09:18 PM ET (US)
How dead is your Yammy?
montauk madness posted 08-07-2010 09:44 PM ET (US)
It is not completely dead. Hard to start, feels tight. idles ok and seems to run from 3000 RPM up like it did before I ran it low on oil. It feels different coming off plane.
The low oil alarm didn't trigger and I lost power, got it started, happened again then checked the engine and saw that there was no oil in the reserve tank. I filled the tank, waited about 15 minutes and got it to start again and ran it home. I have used it twice since and have pulled the boat out of the water.
I have a friend/mechanic who has told me that I have probably scored the piston walls etc... causing the hard starts.
Not really sure where to go from here but I like to take my family out in this boat and need it to be reliable for them.
Thanks,
Jeff
csj posted 08-07-2010 09:57 PM ET (US)
MM, confirming that your referring to the reserve tank on the motor. I have the same motor and when the large tank ran out and the small tank on the motor was half empty the motor alarm went off and the motor will automatically go to a low idle. I'm assuming that your saying that the tank on the motor went dry. ?
tom976 posted 08-07-2010 10:04 PM ET (US)
Well you do have a few options..
Look at them this way...
Option one, If you have a decent mechanic you can have the original motor rebuilt and it should be like new for awhile.
Option two, replace the motor with a 200 or 225 (I presume you want efi) so lets say an ox66 after 1997. You are buying a used motor, they didnt have hour meters on them so a good inspection from your mechanic is you best bet. Again used motor that will be new to you. You never know the real histoy of the old motor.
Option three, there are some good deals on motor with low financing. So put a few bucks down and pay it off month to month. By the time the warranty is over you'll have it paid off.
Tom
Tohsgib posted 08-08-2010 11:28 AM ET (US)
Yeah..she is shongo. Once they drop like that, they usually grenade shortly afterwards. Running dry can cause crank damage as well and a new crank will double the cost of a rebuild. That is if you can get the powerhead off. Those old yamahas used a bunch of disimilar metals and they are a biotch to disassemble. $5-7k is no problem. Too bad you are not in FL, could find you a sweatheart in a week.
montauk madness posted 08-08-2010 12:07 PM ET (US)
csj,
Yes, I was referring to the small tank on the motor. The remote tank failed last fall and I've been using the remote tank exclusively. The alarm didn't go off this time so the low idle didn't trigger.
Tom,
Thanks for the advice. If I go the used Yamaha route I would definitely like to take advantage of some newer technology than 1989. Do 200's and 225's weigh the same?
Nick,
Yep, the mechanic said my crank is shot and that I were to but a new power head "good luck getting those rusty bolts outs". This has been a salt water motor it's whole life.
Thanks,
Jeff
Tohsgib posted 08-08-2010 12:19 PM ET (US)
Most 200 & 225's weigh the same. Notably there are 2 different 200 Verados and E-Tecs which are completely different engines and weights. You can steal 200HPDIs if you want to go that route.
brisboats posted 08-08-2010 01:10 PM ET (US)
Sorry to hear about the motor Jeff. If it were me I would stay with the Yamaha rigging and search for the OX66 fuel injected version. I see a lot of pairs come up for sale around here when the owner has decided to repower. The 200hpdi is also considered a very good motor and for whatever reason has a low resale value as mentioned.
Brian
Martino posted 08-08-2010 01:24 PM ET (US)
In about 20 minutes and no dollars, you can get a pretty good idea if the cylinder walls are scored by running a compression test.
outragesteve posted 08-08-2010 02:35 PM ET (US)
Hi Jeff:
I agree with the comments. Keep it Yamaha to reduce rigging costs which add up real fast: Been there and done that! There is a 200HPDI on Ebay right now: Check it out. Listing #320571655832.
montauk madness posted 08-08-2010 03:33 PM ET (US)
Thanks Steve. I looked at the listing, it appears to have a $3000.00 buy now price and free shipping. The sellers feedback is 33%. The motor is left hand, is the correct?
Is this deal too good? It looks like its exactly what I need.
Thanks,
Jeff
outragesteve posted 08-08-2010 05:44 PM ET (US)
Jeff: The left hand is not a problem except for the limitation in prop selection. You may also consider selling the left hand drive and buying a right hand unit since they are readily available. The free shipping to you in Washington is great. The 33% rating on eBay may be a red flag or not.
Tom W Clark posted 08-08-2010 05:51 PM ET (US)
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1& item=320571655832
Seller's feedback is only 25 percent. Yes, that is a red flag. It indicates the auction is a scam.
My threshold for dealing with anybody on Ebay is about 98 percent positive feedback. Less than that and I stay far away.
If a deal seems to good to be true...
brisboats posted 08-08-2010 10:01 PM ET (US)
Yes, do not bid on that item, or any of the other items offered by this seller. Take a look at the picture of the HPDI motor and you will see palm trees in the background. As a former NY native I can assure you that palm trees do not grow in New York. Seller is also using a Clifton NY address but wants wire transfers to England.
The other red flags besides the pitiful feedback rating are the offers to ship for free and sell outside of Ebay. The off Ebay buy it now prices have also been exceeded in at least one auction. Pictures are in distinctly differing backgrounds, one is a dealer showroom. This absolutely is not a legitimate Ebay auction has the markings of the typical Craigslist scam. Ebay will shut this down soon.

Brian
tom976 posted 08-09-2010 09:41 AM ET (US)
Humm lets see.. free shipping anywhere worldwide with a say around 400 - 500 lb motor.... That could be interesting. I like the feedback on that account. Selling jeans and other clothing... now into selling tickets and outboard motors.
The palm trees in the pic are GREAT! While by no means the norm around here, some poeple do buy them for the summer months though. (so their genenerally on a few feet high)
The ebay account appears to be hacked, I am sure it'll be shutdown soon.
I'd recommend refining your search area to yamaha motors in your local area. (or whatever distance you feel comfortable driving) I would never buy something for that much without getting my hands on it for a good visual. You local Craiglist to your area can be a great place too.
outragesteve posted 08-11-2010 12:01 AM ET (US)
Jeff: Here's another 200 HPDI on ebay: This seller is 100% rated. Maybe a fellow CWer in south Florida could look at this engine if you are interested. Item # 120607510764. Good luck!
outragesteve posted 08-11-2010 12:01 AM ET (US)
Jeff: Here's another 200 HPDI on ebay: This seller is 100% rated. Maybe a fellow CWer in south Florida could look at this engine if you are interested. Item # 120607510764. Good luck!
outragesteve posted 08-11-2010 12:34 AM ET (US)
Jeff:
Here's another 200 HPDI on ebay: #120607510764. This looks better: Seller is 100%. Perhaps a fellow CWer in south Florida can check it out for you....good luck!

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Author	Topic: My Yamaha has passed on....
montauk madness	posted 08-06-2010 09:48 PM ET (US) My 1989 200hp Yamaha on my 20' Outrage has died and I'm looking for advice on what to do now. My first thought is to try to find another used Yamaha 2 stroke in better/newer condition and bolt it on and go. I would to have a new E-TEC but funds are too tight right now to invest that much into a engine. Question, am I headed down the right path on getting another used 2 stroke motor with all the technology that's out there? I was happy with the performance of what I had. Are there certain years of Yamaha's that are better than others? Do the 225's way the same? When did fuel injection start etc...? Lastly, if I go down this road, does anyone have suggestions on where to look in the Seattle/Tacoma area? Thanks for your time, -Jeff
outragesteve	posted 08-07-2010 12:09 AM ET (US) Hi Jeff: Sorry to hear about the death in your family...What is your email address? I'd like to get in touch with you and the email address listed in your profile failed. Thanks
montauk madness	posted 08-07-2010 01:52 AM ET (US) Steve, My email should work at jeff@prnw.com I leaving to fish in Canada for a few days so I have my "out of office" on. My cell is 206.650.6200 -Jeff
Tohsgib	posted 08-07-2010 10:36 AM ET (US) Jeff if you follow the marketplace you can see where I frequently post great deals on used outboards I find on craigslist....I suggest you start looking. There is really no reason to pay $2000 for a 1993 engine when you can pay $4000 for a 2000+ that has modern technology unless your budget is that tight. I can totally understand not wanting to spend $14,000 for a new e-tec but you can also find a 2006 for half. I found my 3 year old Suzuki 40 4 stroke on E-Bay for 1/3 the cost of new.
montauk madness	posted 08-07-2010 03:36 PM ET (US) Thanks Nick. I budget isn't that tight, I'm fine in the $5,000-7,000 range but thought sticking with another Yamaha at this point made the most sense in regards to reusing the controls and gauges. Thanks, Jeff
Martino	posted 08-07-2010 09:18 PM ET (US) How dead is your Yammy?
montauk madness	posted 08-07-2010 09:44 PM ET (US) It is not completely dead. Hard to start, feels tight. idles ok and seems to run from 3000 RPM up like it did before I ran it low on oil. It feels different coming off plane. The low oil alarm didn't trigger and I lost power, got it started, happened again then checked the engine and saw that there was no oil in the reserve tank. I filled the tank, waited about 15 minutes and got it to start again and ran it home. I have used it twice since and have pulled the boat out of the water. I have a friend/mechanic who has told me that I have probably scored the piston walls etc... causing the hard starts. Not really sure where to go from here but I like to take my family out in this boat and need it to be reliable for them. Thanks, Jeff
csj	posted 08-07-2010 09:57 PM ET (US) MM, confirming that your referring to the reserve tank on the motor. I have the same motor and when the large tank ran out and the small tank on the motor was half empty the motor alarm went off and the motor will automatically go to a low idle. I'm assuming that your saying that the tank on the motor went dry. ?
tom976	posted 08-07-2010 10:04 PM ET (US) Well you do have a few options.. Look at them this way... Option one, If you have a decent mechanic you can have the original motor rebuilt and it should be like new for awhile. Option two, replace the motor with a 200 or 225 (I presume you want efi) so lets say an ox66 after 1997. You are buying a used motor, they didnt have hour meters on them so a good inspection from your mechanic is you best bet. Again used motor that will be new to you. You never know the real histoy of the old motor. Option three, there are some good deals on motor with low financing. So put a few bucks down and pay it off month to month. By the time the warranty is over you'll have it paid off. Tom
Tohsgib	posted 08-08-2010 11:28 AM ET (US) Yeah..she is shongo. Once they drop like that, they usually grenade shortly afterwards. Running dry can cause crank damage as well and a new crank will double the cost of a rebuild. That is if you can get the powerhead off. Those old yamahas used a bunch of disimilar metals and they are a biotch to disassemble. $5-7k is no problem. Too bad you are not in FL, could find you a sweatheart in a week.
montauk madness	posted 08-08-2010 12:07 PM ET (US) csj, Yes, I was referring to the small tank on the motor. The remote tank failed last fall and I've been using the remote tank exclusively. The alarm didn't go off this time so the low idle didn't trigger. Tom, Thanks for the advice. If I go the used Yamaha route I would definitely like to take advantage of some newer technology than 1989. Do 200's and 225's weigh the same? Nick, Yep, the mechanic said my crank is shot and that I were to but a new power head "good luck getting those rusty bolts outs". This has been a salt water motor it's whole life. Thanks, Jeff
Tohsgib	posted 08-08-2010 12:19 PM ET (US) Most 200 & 225's weigh the same. Notably there are 2 different 200 Verados and E-Tecs which are completely different engines and weights. You can steal 200HPDIs if you want to go that route.
brisboats	posted 08-08-2010 01:10 PM ET (US) Sorry to hear about the motor Jeff. If it were me I would stay with the Yamaha rigging and search for the OX66 fuel injected version. I see a lot of pairs come up for sale around here when the owner has decided to repower. The 200hpdi is also considered a very good motor and for whatever reason has a low resale value as mentioned. Brian
Martino	posted 08-08-2010 01:24 PM ET (US) In about 20 minutes and no dollars, you can get a pretty good idea if the cylinder walls are scored by running a compression test.
outragesteve	posted 08-08-2010 02:35 PM ET (US) Hi Jeff: I agree with the comments. Keep it Yamaha to reduce rigging costs which add up real fast: Been there and done that! There is a 200HPDI on Ebay right now: Check it out. Listing #320571655832.
montauk madness	posted 08-08-2010 03:33 PM ET (US) Thanks Steve. I looked at the listing, it appears to have a $3000.00 buy now price and free shipping. The sellers feedback is 33%. The motor is left hand, is the correct? Is this deal too good? It looks like its exactly what I need. Thanks, Jeff
outragesteve	posted 08-08-2010 05:44 PM ET (US) Jeff: The left hand is not a problem except for the limitation in prop selection. You may also consider selling the left hand drive and buying a right hand unit since they are readily available. The free shipping to you in Washington is great. The 33% rating on eBay may be a red flag or not.
Tom W Clark	posted 08-08-2010 05:51 PM ET (US) http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&_rdc=1& item=320571655832 Seller's feedback is only 25 percent. Yes, that is a red flag. It indicates the auction is a scam. My threshold for dealing with anybody on Ebay is about 98 percent positive feedback. Less than that and I stay far away. If a deal seems to good to be true...
brisboats	posted 08-08-2010 10:01 PM ET (US) Yes, do not bid on that item, or any of the other items offered by this seller. Take a look at the picture of the HPDI motor and you will see palm trees in the background. As a former NY native I can assure you that palm trees do not grow in New York. Seller is also using a Clifton NY address but wants wire transfers to England. The other red flags besides the pitiful feedback rating are the offers to ship for free and sell outside of Ebay. The off Ebay buy it now prices have also been exceeded in at least one auction. Pictures are in distinctly differing backgrounds, one is a dealer showroom. This absolutely is not a legitimate Ebay auction has the markings of the typical Craigslist scam. Ebay will shut this down soon. Brian
tom976	posted 08-09-2010 09:41 AM ET (US) Humm lets see.. free shipping anywhere worldwide with a say around 400 - 500 lb motor.... That could be interesting. I like the feedback on that account. Selling jeans and other clothing... now into selling tickets and outboard motors. The palm trees in the pic are GREAT! While by no means the norm around here, some poeple do buy them for the summer months though. (so their genenerally on a few feet high) The ebay account appears to be hacked, I am sure it'll be shutdown soon. I'd recommend refining your search area to yamaha motors in your local area. (or whatever distance you feel comfortable driving) I would never buy something for that much without getting my hands on it for a good visual. You local Craiglist to your area can be a great place too.
outragesteve	posted 08-11-2010 12:01 AM ET (US) Jeff: Here's another 200 HPDI on ebay: This seller is 100% rated. Maybe a fellow CWer in south Florida could look at this engine if you are interested. Item # 120607510764. Good luck!
outragesteve	posted 08-11-2010 12:01 AM ET (US) Jeff: Here's another 200 HPDI on ebay: This seller is 100% rated. Maybe a fellow CWer in south Florida could look at this engine if you are interested. Item # 120607510764. Good luck!
outragesteve	posted 08-11-2010 12:34 AM ET (US) Jeff: Here's another 200 HPDI on ebay: #120607510764. This looks better: Seller is 100%. Perhaps a fellow CWer in south Florida can check it out for you....good luck!