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russellbailey posted 07-08-2011 10:26 AM ET (US)   Profile for russellbailey   Send Email to russellbailey  
I finished my installation of Bennett trim tabs on my 1984 Outrage 25 a couple of weeks ago. Tom McGow at Bennett was unbelievably helpful through the process. My boat has heavy twin Optimax 150 engines on the back on jackplates, and I was unhappy with the transition between idle or 8-MPH and planing or 22-MPH speeds without tabs. With my kids, that speed is very useful for watersports, and at times with rough water that speed is useful also.

With input from Tom McGow and Tom Clark, I picked 14x12 trim tabs as ones that would be the biggest that would fit. Bennett has a huge number of sizes in stock that are not listed. I installed them as close to the centerline as I could, including trimming the vertical part of the tab mounting plate to match the angle of the transom ridge. After installation, it appears I could have maybe even fit on 16x12 tabs. I did not reinforce the transom any and don't see any need to do so based on the 0.5" fiberglass I drilled through. I did use 3M4200 to seal the trim planes and 3M5200 at the actuator top.

I have a hybrid actuator, with a 3.5" stroke versus the normal 2.5" stroke. That lets me retract it farther than normal while still getting full deployment. It was not intended to end up like that, but it worked out well - even fully retracted I can tell they are there coming up onto plane with slightly less bow rise. With them fully down the boat has very minimal bow rise getting on plane. I can run in a planing mode at around 14-15 mph (tabs not all the way down), as well as reasonably run even slower with a bow somewhat high mode. Bennett can mix and match parts on the actuators to get different overall lengths and different total stroke lengths.

I had trouble with the hydraulic connections at first, but that was my error due to not tightening the nipple (that goes through the transom) sufficiently into the actuator top. So I had to dissemble it once then put it back together - no leaks then and not long to re-do - maybe an hour.

The tabs are setup so that the edge on the transom is totally flush with the bottom - not raised at all. Bennett has a smooth hinge in that area that is intended to be mounted flush - mounting flush also results in the most lift with the least drag, as you get more tab in contact with the water surface with less angle.

I do get some spray onto the motors at some trim conditions - mainly with the tabs far down at higher speeds. The only time I'd envision putting them down that far is for watersports.

Assembly was not hard, but at least for me it was time consuming figuring out just how I wanted to mount it. I also had to trim the bottom edge of the quarter boxes a little for where the nipple comes through. The system is very simple and appears robust.

I also bought the EIC5000 control/indicator, but have not hooked up the indicator wires yet, so I can't comment on how that yet. I'll likely get them connected and in use this weekend.

I've not really had much difficulty with side-to-side trim - my main interest was lower planing speed and better operational in the transitional speed, and that has been achieved.

After I have time to study the water flow and usage more, I may end up adding the bolt-on 3" drop down fins on one or both sides. Tom McGow estimated that the fins would result in the 14" wide plane behaving more like an 18" wide plane - the larger effective plane would allow more lift with less drag (due to less deflection being needed). Tom Clark has reported that plane with integral fins did not work well on his Revenge 25 because the fin was not parallel with the water flow, resulting in more spray. With the bolt-on fins there can be modest adjustment of angle, so they may work.

Overall, as with most people who operate boats with trim tabs, I'm very pleased with the difference they make in boat operation.

russellbailey posted 08-02-2011 09:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for russellbailey  Send Email to russellbailey     
I just spent a whole week at South Holston Lake (VA/TN) with family, and we probably pulled skiers literally 4-5 hrs/day every day for 7 days. The trim tabs were extensively used for this activity.

Without tabs, my boat would plane out at about 3000 rpm, and plow from 2000-2800 with a very high bow.

With tabs fully down, the bow never really rises significantly - rather, the boat sort of "planes out" starting around 2300 rpm, which is about the speed we pulled kids on skis. For kneeboarding and wakeboarding we pulled at about 2500-2600 rpm, adult skiing about 2800 rpm, and slalom skiing about 3200 rpm. I don't have a speedometer that I leave on the boat but instead just a handheld GPS, so I don't have much speed data - we've always used RPM data for pulling speeds. Actual speed would vary some for a given RPM, as we had anywhere from 1 person onboard to 11 people, though normally pulling with 4-5 onboard plus 1-2 skiers.

It was interesting to experiment with the tabs to see how they would impact the wake shape. A couple of examples.
1. With the tabs all the way down at 2800 rpm, a roostertail would shoot out of the water about 30 ft behind the boat, where the compressed water from the tabs would rise back up. Raising the tabs partway eliminated the tail. The tail might shoot 2-3 ft above the water surface.
2. At 2600 rpm, you could adjust the size of the wake. The more deflected the tab, the flatter the wake, and the less deflected the tab, the larger the wake.

As you might expect behind a 5000 lb boat, the wake is always too large for good slalom skiing - you cannot really lay the ski down hard on the edge through the wake as the tail will kick out and you'll fall. However, for everything else, the wake is fine, and for kneeboarding and wakeboarding specifically, the wake is great.

For the occasionally time when my people load was shifted to one side, the tabs could easily fix that. But it is their ability to open up a range of low speed operation that was my purpose of installing them, and for that they do great.

Slick 50 posted 08-02-2011 10:58 PM ET (US)     Profile for Slick 50  Send Email to Slick 50     
Thanks for posting. There is nothing like having years of boating experience and then try your first trim tabs. Trim tabs are very nice. Mine were on a 24 Grady that I bought without tabs then installed them. Wow, what a difference.--Rick
zx29b posted 04-10-2012 04:05 AM ET (US)     Profile for zx29b  Send Email to zx29b     
Russell--How did you deal with no wood to the outside of the transom notch?--Matt
Jeff posted 04-10-2012 07:56 AM ET (US)     Profile for Jeff  Send Email to Jeff     
http://continuouswave.com/whaler/reference/trimTabs.html
russellbailey posted 04-10-2012 10:19 AM ET (US)     Profile for russellbailey  Send Email to russellbailey     
zx29b, my opinion is that no wood outside the notch is immaterial to the installation. The fiberglass there is quite thick - at least 0.5". My tab actuators are fully mounted solely in fiberglass (as well as sealed with 5200).

I've only used them one season so far, but I use them a lot, often heavily deflected, and have seen no indication of any problem of mounting directly into the fiberglass.

floater88 posted 04-10-2012 12:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for floater88  Send Email to floater88     
I read your posts and read the one about the trim tab install and i'm intrigued. With the lower rpms to get you up on plane I take it you are actually using less gas? The tabs don't create any drag in the down position to offset any gains in fuel economy with lower rpms? Thanks
russellbailey posted 04-10-2012 01:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for russellbailey  Send Email to russellbailey     
floater88, I don't measure gas consumption. However, I'd speculate that for speeds in the 8-22 mph range, mileage with tabs is better than without, as the boat plowing seems like the least efficient mode possible. I'd guess that at the 2600+ rpm range, where just a very light tab usage is needed, that overall mpg might improve over the no-tabs case, but that is just a guess.
floater88 posted 04-10-2012 01:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for floater88  Send Email to floater88     
Thanks for the reply. On my Revenge 20 with the Merc 200 it planes out at 3000 rpm and will do about 23 mph at that rpm. Anything that lowers my Rpms to get onto and stay on plane I figure should increase my mileage. Thanks

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