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ThompsonSearaider1983 posted 08-11-2011 01:01 AM ET (US)   Profile for ThompsonSearaider1983   Send Email to ThompsonSearaider1983  
Hi guys, I've always been wondering what's a good quality DFI oil that I should use in my Evinrude Ficht. The motor is an 03 model, 115 hp Direct Injected two stroke. I've been using the Evinrude Ficht oil which the guy that I bought the motor from gave me. The oil is a synthetic blend and contains a detergent called Carb-X which helps reduce carbon in the motor. Now from my understanding the new XD-50 oil from BRP is the equivalent oil with some improvements but I've noticed many other DFI oils at West Marine. Some of the oils that have caught my attention are the Pennzoil Full Synthetic two stroke oil, West Marine DFI oil which is a synthetic blend but claims to burn clean and protect well, Quicksilver DFI oil and the Amsoil HP Injector oil. I know that the XD-100 oil is the absolute best oil that I can use for this motor but some say it's "over kill" and I don't need to spend that much money on oil but my concern is when I go fishing in the winter and temperatures are 30F, sometimes colder, that synthetic blends won't protect as well as a full synthetic. I'm also concerned about carbon build up in the engine. Anyone have experience with the West Marine oil or any of the other DFI oils in their Evinrude Ficht or E-TEC?

Peter posted 08-11-2011 08:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Stick with XD50. Bought from a dealer who carries it in bulk, it should be cheaper than the West Marine branded ordinary TCW3 oil and much cheaper than the synthetic or synthetic blends carried by West Marine.
Peter posted 08-11-2011 08:13 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
Also, if operating in low temps, then go to XD100.
jimh posted 08-11-2011 08:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
Many Evinrude dealers sell the Evinrude oil from bulk containers at good prices. Buy one retail package gallon and you'll have a container, then buy the next gallon as a refill at the bulk price.
lizard posted 08-11-2011 10:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for lizard  Send Email to lizard     
I have the same motor, but the 2001 model year. I use the West Marine TCW3 oil with no apparent excessive carbon build up.
lizard posted 08-11-2011 04:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for lizard  Send Email to lizard     
I may have spoken prematurely. I have not hooked my computer with the software for the Ficht EMM up recently, so I am guessing that I have used the TWC3 oil for 40-50 hours of engine use.

I have not introduced any Sea Foam into the fuel system during this time. In order for me to comment on carbon build up, I will need to add Sea Foam and see my results.

Since I do not have a carburetor in this engine, am I able to use the Sea Foam product in the Ficht? Would I introduce it by adding it to the fuel tank? In my older motors, I added it directly via the carb once, and to the above deck fuel tanks once.

Have not done this with a Ficht or in-deck fuel tank. Any comments?

ThompsonSearaider1983 posted 08-17-2011 11:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for ThompsonSearaider1983  Send Email to ThompsonSearaider1983     
Well I have found the XD-50 to be more expensive than the oils from west marine and the Pennzoil full synthetic but my main concern is carbon build up. I have been reading around online and have heard some people say they have minimal carbon build up even with a full synthetic from Pennzoil in their DFI motor. Does anyone think it's save to use the DFI oil from west marine or any other synthetic blend or full synthetic on the market? I usually don't run my motor on idle much, I have a four stroke kicker for trolling or drifting. The only idling time this motor sees is when I warm it up for about 5 min at the dock, the rest is either planing speed which is around 3,800 rpm or full throttle which is about 6,300 rpm. I know they're both high because I have a small prop on and I'm waiting to get a bigger propeller. Until then I don't push it more than 5,000 rpm.
ThompsonSearaider1983 posted 08-18-2011 12:03 AM ET (US)     Profile for ThompsonSearaider1983  Send Email to ThompsonSearaider1983     
Hi lizard, I think you will be fine with adding the sea foam to your tank of gas. It should help with any carbon build up. I would still ask an evinrude tech because I have a friend that burned up his 50 hp mercury two stroke from adding too much sea foam to his fuel. His mechanic told him that the sea foam washes off the oil from the inside of the engine and makes it run lean and that's why his motor burned up. It was a premix two stroke at 50:1 but he always added extra oil and ran it somewhere between 35:1 and 45:1.

I am not sure if that will happen to a DFI engine because they have an oiling system and the fuel doesn't pass through the engine so there's less of a chance of the oil getting "washed" off. BRP has this stuff called carbon guard and from what I've heard it works very well in evinrude outboards.

Tohsgib posted 08-18-2011 10:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
Always use the manufacturer's directions on additives....there is a reason they are there. A cheap alternative to SeaFoam is BerryMan's B-12. About $3 instead of $8.
Peter posted 08-18-2011 10:52 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
1 gallon of Pennzoil synthetic blend at West Marine is $32. A gallon of XD50 from a dealer's bulk supply in your own container should be about $25.

Regarding decarbing a Ficht, simply buy a can of BRP Engine Tuner and follow directions which starts with letting the motor warm up first and then spraying the whole can into air intakes while engine is running at idle.

Tohsgib posted 08-18-2011 11:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for Tohsgib  Send Email to Tohsgib     
My OMC tuner connects to a schrader valve...do the Fichts/E-Tecs do the same?
Peter posted 08-18-2011 11:47 AM ET (US)     Profile for Peter  Send Email to Peter     
There is no electric primer system with a Schraeder valve like you find on the carb'd OMC motors on either the E-TEC or the E-TEC. On older Fichts, there was Schraeder valve in the return manifold of the fuel injection loop but this is NOT to be used for introducing anything to the fuel injection system.

ThompsonSearaider1983 posted 08-18-2011 11:16 PM ET (US)     Profile for ThompsonSearaider1983  Send Email to ThompsonSearaider1983     
Thanks Peter, I think I will have to use the XD-100 oil. Alot of my fishing goes on into the winter months where the Atlantic water temps dip down to 34F and the air temp sometimes goes down to 5F. I've heard that the XD-50 gets to thick and won't lubricate well in those cold temps. I also like to not have to decarb the engine anymore once I switch over to the XD-100.

I have also found a website to sell the XD-100 oil for only $29.96 a gallon. http://www.domo-online.com/evinrudexd100
Has anyone ordered oil from this website before? They sell all grades of Evinrude oil. Also I asked my local Evinrude dealers and none of them offer refills and this website seems to be the cheapest way of buying oil.

Mambo Minnow posted 08-21-2011 08:55 AM ET (US)     Profile for Mambo Minnow  Send Email to Mambo Minnow     
I just bought at West Marine their DFI oil. It is a new synthetic made for them by Starbrite. I have always religiously used the Quicksilver DFI. However I moved so my local Mercury mechanic that sold by the gallon is no longer available. $32 vs $42 dollars at West Marine. The new product has a prominent advertisement on back of BoatUS magazine with photos comparing to competition at 600 degree burn.

I am willing to try it and report performance. I am well past warranty.

ThompsonSearaider1983 posted 08-31-2011 03:34 PM ET (US)     Profile for ThompsonSearaider1983  Send Email to ThompsonSearaider1983     
That would be great if you could post a performance report, please let me know how much or if any carbon builds up. Thanks
ThompsonSearaider1983 posted 10-25-2011 08:56 PM ET (US)     Profile for ThompsonSearaider1983  Send Email to ThompsonSearaider1983     
I decided to go with the XD-100 oil, it has the best additives for keeping the insides of the engine clean and it is the best lubricant for my DFI. So far I have lost the odor I use to get while cruising at about 2,000-3,000 rpm, I noticed the engine quieted down a bit, idles smoother and starts quicker. I really recommend the XD-100 oil in any two stroke outboard.

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