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leadsled posted 04-02-2012 02:29 PM ET (US)
There is a 1990 Guardian Outrage 22 for sale in Craigslist Long Island that appears to have had the transom cut down 5" to use a 20" engine. I have seen some photo's of other 22's that look like they have very little transom above the water. This Guardian has no engine and has no bottom paint to gauge where to water would come up to. If any of you outrage 22 owners could look at the photo's of the ad and give me your thoughts on this I would apreacite it. Thanks Tom B.
andygere posted 04-02-2012 06:44 PM ET (US)
I would not rig, run and operate that boat until the transom was properly repaired. Why do people do this sort of thing?
Teak Oil posted 04-02-2012 10:25 PM ET (US)
http://longisland.craigslist.org/boa/2917348920.html
Unless you can get this thing for about $1000 I would stay away from it like the plague.
Teak Oil posted 04-02-2012 10:26 PM ET (US)
Maybe $2k as the trailer doesn't look so bad
martyn1075 posted 04-02-2012 11:23 PM ET (US)
The only thing I can think of is perhaps the transom might have been damaged at the top portion and in order to salvage it they cut it back a few inches. Looks like a well used and abused boat.
Martyn
leadsled posted 04-03-2012 09:03 AM ET (US)
The first ad stated that it has no trailer and did not list a price. It also stated to send email with phone # and your best offer.
I sent an email with phone # and asked what year hull it was and if he had a title and what was the present transom height 20" or 25". I also asked if he could email me more photo's.
He never replied and changed the ad to include the price of $6000 and failed to say it had no trailer.
I thought it might make a nice workboat for the right price so I emailed him again and told him I might have helped build the boat and I was very interested. Still no reply. The ad stated if it's listed it's still for sale.
I think the government agency that owned the boat cut the transom down to accept a 20" engine. One of the photo's of the boat show it with lifting straps and sitting on a dual axle trailer. The other photo's are after he bought it and it's sitting on a triple axel trailer. There are no registration #s on the boat and I suspect he is flipping the boat and has no title which is probably why he never got back to me.
My question for one of you 22' outrage owners, if it is a 20" transom now,how high up do you think the water would come with a 400 lb engine on the back.
Maybee he will answer someone elses email? don't mention title though.
leadsled posted 04-03-2012 09:06 AM ET (US)
One more thing, who in their right mind would respond with your "best offer" without seeing the boat? This really interests me.
andygere posted 04-03-2012 10:13 AM ET (US)
There would not be much freeboard, and you'd be subject to getting the powerhead wet when throttling down quickly. The transom could probably be repaired, but the cost would be tough to justify. There are a lot of good 22s out there at low prices these days.
Teak Oil posted 04-03-2012 10:32 AM ET (US)
The water would only be an inch or two below the transom. Worse yet, with the motor so low, The chances of your outboard getting swamped in a following sea would be very high.
With all the repairs that have obviously been done to that hull the chances of water in the hull are very high as well.
I would stay away from this boat unless you LOVE doing fiberglass work, have a lot of time and space on your hands, and can get it for $1000. 6k is a rediculous price for that hull alone
leadsled posted 04-03-2012 10:47 AM ET (US)
Thanks for the replies. I had heard that the 22 transoms were close to the water anyway and with 5" missing the engine would be that much lower in the water.
That's why the "new" Guardians have a 30" transom now.
crabby posted 04-03-2012 06:27 PM ET (US)
How about hanging a motor on a bracket and just filling in that little piece? If the price is right, do it!
BTW, I live on LI and if that rig is close to me I can go by and have a look at it for you. Contact me off list via email in my profile.
Peter posted 04-03-2012 06:49 PM ET (US)
Guardians have 30 inch transoms so you can use 25 inch counter rotating outboards as twins. Outboard makers generally do not make counter rotating outboards in the 20 inch size.
jimh posted 04-03-2012 08:56 PM ET (US)
Which trailer? The "no trailer"? The tandem axle trailer? Or the triple-axle trailer?
Russ 13 posted 04-03-2012 10:39 PM ET (US)
The notch is for running a 20 inch engine.
Many of these older boats were used by the Navy in port
to move buoys, oil booms, etc. They did not go in rough water. I agree that this one needs work. Odd ad; if it smells like fish, then it might be fishy.
leadsled posted 04-04-2012 08:02 AM ET (US)
Jimh, The original ad stated that "no" trailer was included and failed to list a price for the boat. And the original ad stated to email him with a contact # and my highest bid which you have to admit is strange, Why would anybody in their right mind bid if they haven't seen the boat or saw better pictures and talked to the owner about some of the details of the boats condition?
Within a few hours of me emailing him he changed the ad to include a price of $6000 and deleted the part about no trailer and he never called or emailed me.
Im sorry for the confusion about the trailer. My guess is the picture with a dual axel trailer under the boat and the lifting straps on the boat is when the owner bought the boat from the Government Agency. The 3 other photo's have the boat behind a pickup and sitting on a triple axel trailer. My guess is that the triple axel trailer belongs to either a hauler that the owner hired or it is the owner of the boat's rig and he is flipping the boat and that's why he is selling the boat without a trailer. In any case I think I scared him away when I asked if he had a title and asked about the transom. If that boat has the long range fuel tank it will sit even lower in the stern because the tank extends into the rear fishwell putting more weight in the stern. It still might make a good workboat for the right price, like $1500. Get rid of the fuel tank and mount one in front of the console to get the weight off the stern. Maybee someone here can get him to answer their email, He won't answer mine. Thanks Tom.
jimh posted 04-04-2012 12:36 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the details. Someone commented "nice trailer" but I couldn't figure out which of the three trailers shown was the "nice trailer" or which was was included.
I don't think the transom height on that GUARDIAN was for 30-inch engines. That is based on the photograph that shows the transom from the cockpit point of view. The sink-style splash well looks like it is at the normal height relationship to the transom, and the notch looks like it cuts into the normal transom, which is a 25-inch shaft height for a single engine.
martyn1075 posted 04-04-2012 01:28 PM ET (US)
Sounds a bit fishy to me, and there are plenty of fish in the sea to look for... I am sure you could find another whaler, one who's owner will actually converse with you.
Martyn

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Author	Topic: Outrage 22 Transom Cut-down
leadsled	posted 04-02-2012 02:29 PM ET (US) There is a 1990 Guardian Outrage 22 for sale in Craigslist Long Island that appears to have had the transom cut down 5" to use a 20" engine. I have seen some photo's of other 22's that look like they have very little transom above the water. This Guardian has no engine and has no bottom paint to gauge where to water would come up to. If any of you outrage 22 owners could look at the photo's of the ad and give me your thoughts on this I would apreacite it. Thanks Tom B.
andygere	posted 04-02-2012 06:44 PM ET (US) I would not rig, run and operate that boat until the transom was properly repaired. Why do people do this sort of thing?
Teak Oil	posted 04-02-2012 10:25 PM ET (US) http://longisland.craigslist.org/boa/2917348920.html Unless you can get this thing for about $1000 I would stay away from it like the plague.
Teak Oil	posted 04-02-2012 10:26 PM ET (US) Maybe $2k as the trailer doesn't look so bad
martyn1075	posted 04-02-2012 11:23 PM ET (US) The only thing I can think of is perhaps the transom might have been damaged at the top portion and in order to salvage it they cut it back a few inches. Looks like a well used and abused boat. Martyn
leadsled	posted 04-03-2012 09:03 AM ET (US) The first ad stated that it has no trailer and did not list a price. It also stated to send email with phone # and your best offer. I sent an email with phone # and asked what year hull it was and if he had a title and what was the present transom height 20" or 25". I also asked if he could email me more photo's. He never replied and changed the ad to include the price of $6000 and failed to say it had no trailer. I thought it might make a nice workboat for the right price so I emailed him again and told him I might have helped build the boat and I was very interested. Still no reply. The ad stated if it's listed it's still for sale. I think the government agency that owned the boat cut the transom down to accept a 20" engine. One of the photo's of the boat show it with lifting straps and sitting on a dual axle trailer. The other photo's are after he bought it and it's sitting on a triple axel trailer. There are no registration #s on the boat and I suspect he is flipping the boat and has no title which is probably why he never got back to me. My question for one of you 22' outrage owners, if it is a 20" transom now,how high up do you think the water would come with a 400 lb engine on the back. Maybee he will answer someone elses email? don't mention title though.
leadsled	posted 04-03-2012 09:06 AM ET (US) One more thing, who in their right mind would respond with your "best offer" without seeing the boat? This really interests me.
andygere	posted 04-03-2012 10:13 AM ET (US) There would not be much freeboard, and you'd be subject to getting the powerhead wet when throttling down quickly. The transom could probably be repaired, but the cost would be tough to justify. There are a lot of good 22s out there at low prices these days.
Teak Oil	posted 04-03-2012 10:32 AM ET (US) The water would only be an inch or two below the transom. Worse yet, with the motor so low, The chances of your outboard getting swamped in a following sea would be very high. With all the repairs that have obviously been done to that hull the chances of water in the hull are very high as well. I would stay away from this boat unless you LOVE doing fiberglass work, have a lot of time and space on your hands, and can get it for $1000. 6k is a rediculous price for that hull alone
leadsled	posted 04-03-2012 10:47 AM ET (US) Thanks for the replies. I had heard that the 22 transoms were close to the water anyway and with 5" missing the engine would be that much lower in the water. That's why the "new" Guardians have a 30" transom now.
crabby	posted 04-03-2012 06:27 PM ET (US) How about hanging a motor on a bracket and just filling in that little piece? If the price is right, do it! BTW, I live on LI and if that rig is close to me I can go by and have a look at it for you. Contact me off list via email in my profile.
Peter	posted 04-03-2012 06:49 PM ET (US) Guardians have 30 inch transoms so you can use 25 inch counter rotating outboards as twins. Outboard makers generally do not make counter rotating outboards in the 20 inch size.
jimh	posted 04-03-2012 08:56 PM ET (US) Which trailer? The "no trailer"? The tandem axle trailer? Or the triple-axle trailer?
Russ 13	posted 04-03-2012 10:39 PM ET (US) The notch is for running a 20 inch engine. Many of these older boats were used by the Navy in port to move buoys, oil booms, etc. They did not go in rough water. I agree that this one needs work. Odd ad; if it smells like fish, then it might be fishy.
leadsled	posted 04-04-2012 08:02 AM ET (US) Jimh, The original ad stated that "no" trailer was included and failed to list a price for the boat. And the original ad stated to email him with a contact # and my highest bid which you have to admit is strange, Why would anybody in their right mind bid if they haven't seen the boat or saw better pictures and talked to the owner about some of the details of the boats condition? Within a few hours of me emailing him he changed the ad to include a price of $6000 and deleted the part about no trailer and he never called or emailed me. Im sorry for the confusion about the trailer. My guess is the picture with a dual axel trailer under the boat and the lifting straps on the boat is when the owner bought the boat from the Government Agency. The 3 other photo's have the boat behind a pickup and sitting on a triple axel trailer. My guess is that the triple axel trailer belongs to either a hauler that the owner hired or it is the owner of the boat's rig and he is flipping the boat and that's why he is selling the boat without a trailer. In any case I think I scared him away when I asked if he had a title and asked about the transom. If that boat has the long range fuel tank it will sit even lower in the stern because the tank extends into the rear fishwell putting more weight in the stern. It still might make a good workboat for the right price, like $1500. Get rid of the fuel tank and mount one in front of the console to get the weight off the stern. Maybee someone here can get him to answer their email, He won't answer mine. Thanks Tom.
jimh	posted 04-04-2012 12:36 PM ET (US) Thanks for the details. Someone commented "nice trailer" but I couldn't figure out which of the three trailers shown was the "nice trailer" or which was was included. I don't think the transom height on that GUARDIAN was for 30-inch engines. That is based on the photograph that shows the transom from the cockpit point of view. The sink-style splash well looks like it is at the normal height relationship to the transom, and the notch looks like it cuts into the normal transom, which is a 25-inch shaft height for a single engine.
martyn1075	posted 04-04-2012 01:28 PM ET (US) Sounds a bit fishy to me, and there are plenty of fish in the sea to look for... I am sure you could find another whaler, one who's owner will actually converse with you. Martyn