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hullinthewater posted 07-05-2013 04:10 PM ET (US)
I'm in the process of converting my '87 SuperSport to a Montauk clone. As such, I'm planning an install of a non Whaler console [heresy, I know] of approximately similar dimension. The console I'm considering is about 24 wide x 33 long, with a forward seat-storage bin.
[See 'Niente' model at this page: http://www.boatconsolesandbaitwells.com/index.html]
Thus, I'm looking for info on the original console location, relative to the transom, or back of anchor locker.
I'm trying to maintain same 'center of effort' location for proper boat trim w/2 adults, side by side at helm.
I recently took a picture of an original Montauk of about the same year, but didn't have a tape to measure at the time to check console position [nor would I want to be reaching someone else's boat w/out their permission].
From what I'm seeing of my pic, the console base width of 33" was positioned such that it was just touching near the floor break that forms the side ramps to the anchor locker, IE: Front of console @ +/- 30" from back of anchor locker bulkhead.
Can anyone confirm this, or share a link that contains original layout form transom or anchor locker.
I've searched here, but other than the wood locating diagram from BW, I can't locate any other pertinent info.
Much appreciated.
Hull...
sdfish posted 07-09-2013 01:36 PM ET (US)
I'm interested in a response to this as well. Thanks
hullinthewater posted 07-10-2013 10:58 AM ET (US)
I think the lack of responses might be due to the infrequency of the problem: not many people have reason to make a console replacement or relocation.
As I stated, mine was a SuperSport, but I don't like the 'shin-banger' nature of the low profile mahogany setup- it's especially not good for fishing, or much else beside sitting in a low position, and if you have long legs, you will get cramped.
So I'm replacing the mahogany [wood maintenance: retired yet?] with a combination console/seat with a hinged forward storage/seat locker. The critical thing will be positioning the console for best weight distribution of 2 adults at helm, and with minumum bend in routing steering/control cable thru the forward sump.
Can't remember if it was here or whalercentral where a member posted dimensions from transom to back of console, back of seat, etc. Can't find it here, but I might try different search terms.
sdfish posted 07-10-2013 06:56 PM ET (US)
Hull - let me know where you land, I conveted a super sport to a center console a few years ago. THe console I used had a smaller footprint. I just sourced a BW 170 center console that I will install and would like know the factory location as well. When I mock measured the new console, I came to the same conclusion you did below on location. Thanks
Qtrmeg posted 07-11-2013 07:58 AM ET (US)
Is this what you want?

http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/attachments/rps_placement.jpg
sdfish posted 07-11-2013 01:06 PM ET (US)
Yes that helps for sure. Can you also provide the measurement from the from the from of the console. Also, what year and model is the graphic from and which boat are measuring from? i Have a 1984 17 foot hull. Thanks again!
jcdawg83 posted 07-12-2013 08:37 AM ET (US)
I don't really have any info to help, but I do have a question. Is there a tunnel in the center of the hull to run cables to the engine and the fuel line from an under seat tank?
If not, I would think it would be better to sell the 17 SS and simply buy an older Montauk.
Qtrmeg posted 07-12-2013 09:19 AM ET (US)
jcdawg83, the rigging tunnel is there, just glassed over.
sdfish, my Montauk is Smirkless and one hour away, these two threads I will link you to are for the Smirked Montauk, like yours >>>
http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1412
http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/006988.html
sdfish posted 07-12-2013 10:03 AM ET (US)
Q - thanks for posting that link. It is just what I was looking for. Switching out the console will be next winters project for me.
JC - yes, my 1984 has a tunnel in the center to run cables. The current hole in my boat runs from the location of the center console to the sum in the rear. The supers sport model does not have an access hole in the location of where the Montauk RPS would be to run fuel lins. I will have to open up a hole there to run my fuel line.
Thanks!
hullinthewater posted 07-12-2013 11:47 AM ET (US)
Lots of input all of a sudden.
As I posted originally, my hull is [was] a 1987 SuperSport w/Mahogany lo-console setup and it has the rigging tunnel and fore and aft sumps, understandably and like sdfish, I have no 'hawse-hole' where a Montauk RPS seat would be for fuel line route.
Regarding the provided link to the "Plan view", if I'm not mistaken, that looks more like a Montauk 170; whether they're identical in "console to stern" dimension, I'm not sure.
Also not sure if the 170 console is same length dimension as former Montauk designs either.
sdfish, part of my original query has been recently answered by a posted pic on WhalerCentral of a memeber Montauk resto. It was a cockpit deck view that showed the back "feet" of the console positioned about even with the beginning of those famous little side ramps on our "pre-170/post '76" decks.
On the other hand, I can't be certain that the pictured console hasn't been moved.
Adding to my quandry is the fact that my chosen console
has a seat/locker built into it, which gives it about a 34" overall length, and I believe a picture I took of an original console with a tape measure laid out next to it, showed the Montauk console to be about 26" overall length.
My new console, being 8" longer than stock, will cut down the space between the anchor locker and the console somewhat. These are small boats to begin with, and I just made mine a bit smaller [indirectly].
OTOH, these are good problems to have in life.
Stay tuned, the console hasn't arrived yet.
BTW: My console is produced with a base 1" flange for direct screw down install, which I won't do b/c I don't like holes in the deck, regardless of how much 4200, 5200 or Sikaflex or stainless screws, time and moisture will win eventually.
Someday I'll post pics of the screws I had to 'oversize drill-out' on my deck from the BW install of the original Mahogany console setup.
Not saying BW created an unecessary point of ingress for water to the inner hull-foam, since it may have been the original dealer or owner adding a few reinforcement blocks, but when I removed that console setup, the stainless screws were solid rust-welds in the floor laminate with just a hint of wet wood particles reporting.
My alternate install will use fiberglass L angle 'West System-ed' to the deck. I purchased some 2" square fiberglass tube and will cut it along it's length at 2 opposite corners, to make the L angles. Then layout inside the console and 'glass' them to the deck, then thru bolt to console. No doubt I will need to remove a bit of gelcoat for each L angle used.
If done correctly, I hope to be able to implement a 'hinged' console for easier access if any mods or additions come up, by only leaving 2 bolts in place on opposite sides of either the front or back of console, thereby allowing it to 'tilt-up' on one end or the other.
I will also use square tube to install a future T-Top, but instaed of L angle, I'll use square tube sections glassed to the deck and then thru-bolt the bases to the tube. So, according to 'Hoyle', it sounds simple on paper- we'll see.
hullinthewater posted 07-12-2013 12:48 PM ET (US)
sdfish-
browsing the links provided by Qtrmeg, this seemed to be the best answer, straight form a similar years Montauk owner:
Legobusier posted 08-31-2004 09:06 PM ET (US)
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
My '87 is 33" from the back of the bow locker bulkhead to the front of the console (about 12" off the deck).
Hope this helps.
Chris
--------------------
What 'Legobusier' says somewhat agrees with the picture I saw at WhalerCentral; back of a similar year Montauk console set even with beginning of side ramps.
I may use it as a start point, then decide how much 'fishing room' I can live with bewteen locker and front of console. OTOH, these boats are really only comfortable fishers for two- seems like a third really does make a crowd.
sdfish posted 07-13-2013 12:34 AM ET (US)
Hull - yep, Ill use that as a starting point. I'd love to see your setup ideas, sound interesting. You may want to take a look at this link for ideas.
http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/check-out-my-boat/164108-1962-boston-whaler-refit-picture-heavy.html
I will install using aluminum angles screwed to he floor.
hullinthewater posted 07-13-2013 02:47 PM ET (US)
I'll keep this thread updated.
BTW: the more I thought about it, and the more I filled and Awlgrip'd the cockpit, the further I wanted to get away from thru-deck-screws.
But that's just me: old boat-old dude....and the dude abides.
sdfish- is that sd for san diego?
sdfish posted 07-13-2013 11:21 PM ET (US)
Yep, I live in Carlsbad. Where are you located?
hullinthewater posted 07-14-2013 12:19 PM ET (US)
What are the odds?
I live near Batiquitos.
Getting ready to install my rub rail today- I anticipate a minor struggle.
Still weighing whether to use aluminum rivets or stainless screws.
Also of whether there is any merit to using a caulk or adhesive on any part of the rub rail against the gunnel, other than the fastener drill holes.

sdfish posted 07-14-2013 10:16 PM ET (US)
Awesome. Let's see if we can get together an exchange notes. Hope all went well with the rub rail.
I was able to get out and fish this morning. I fished the kelp in front of the power plant for a few small calicos. Beautiful morning on the water.
hullinthewater posted 07-15-2013 02:46 AM ET (US)
Glad someone got the best of the day.
I had to finish prep for a last Awlgrip to sumps and a couple exterior hull side repairs by previous owner.
I wont have my console for at least 2-3 weeks, so I decided to wait on rub rail install later. Need to finish Awlgrip while engine is off.
Next up will be electric harness and battery plans.
Then control cables. Lots to do.
Also need to factor out whether or not I want hydraulic steering. Add to that a fuel line hawser to tunnel.
That will make a crowded tunnel.
Still- good problems to have in life.
yeah- drop me an email sometime to compare notes.
jps10@sbcglobal.net

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Author	Topic: Montauk Console location
hullinthewater	posted 07-05-2013 04:10 PM ET (US) I'm in the process of converting my '87 SuperSport to a Montauk clone. As such, I'm planning an install of a non Whaler console [heresy, I know] of approximately similar dimension. The console I'm considering is about 24 wide x 33 long, with a forward seat-storage bin. [See 'Niente' model at this page: http://www.boatconsolesandbaitwells.com/index.html] Thus, I'm looking for info on the original console location, relative to the transom, or back of anchor locker. I'm trying to maintain same 'center of effort' location for proper boat trim w/2 adults, side by side at helm. I recently took a picture of an original Montauk of about the same year, but didn't have a tape to measure at the time to check console position [nor would I want to be reaching someone else's boat w/out their permission]. From what I'm seeing of my pic, the console base width of 33" was positioned such that it was just touching near the floor break that forms the side ramps to the anchor locker, IE: Front of console @ +/- 30" from back of anchor locker bulkhead. Can anyone confirm this, or share a link that contains original layout form transom or anchor locker. I've searched here, but other than the wood locating diagram from BW, I can't locate any other pertinent info. Much appreciated. Hull...
sdfish	posted 07-09-2013 01:36 PM ET (US) I'm interested in a response to this as well. Thanks
hullinthewater	posted 07-10-2013 10:58 AM ET (US) I think the lack of responses might be due to the infrequency of the problem: not many people have reason to make a console replacement or relocation. As I stated, mine was a SuperSport, but I don't like the 'shin-banger' nature of the low profile mahogany setup- it's especially not good for fishing, or much else beside sitting in a low position, and if you have long legs, you will get cramped. So I'm replacing the mahogany [wood maintenance: retired yet?] with a combination console/seat with a hinged forward storage/seat locker. The critical thing will be positioning the console for best weight distribution of 2 adults at helm, and with minumum bend in routing steering/control cable thru the forward sump. Can't remember if it was here or whalercentral where a member posted dimensions from transom to back of console, back of seat, etc. Can't find it here, but I might try different search terms.
sdfish	posted 07-10-2013 06:56 PM ET (US) Hull - let me know where you land, I conveted a super sport to a center console a few years ago. THe console I used had a smaller footprint. I just sourced a BW 170 center console that I will install and would like know the factory location as well. When I mock measured the new console, I came to the same conclusion you did below on location. Thanks
Qtrmeg	posted 07-11-2013 07:58 AM ET (US) Is this what you want? http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/attachments/rps_placement.jpg
sdfish	posted 07-11-2013 01:06 PM ET (US) Yes that helps for sure. Can you also provide the measurement from the from the from of the console. Also, what year and model is the graphic from and which boat are measuring from? i Have a 1984 17 foot hull. Thanks again!
jcdawg83	posted 07-12-2013 08:37 AM ET (US) I don't really have any info to help, but I do have a question. Is there a tunnel in the center of the hull to run cables to the engine and the fuel line from an under seat tank? If not, I would think it would be better to sell the 17 SS and simply buy an older Montauk.
Qtrmeg	posted 07-12-2013 09:19 AM ET (US) jcdawg83, the rigging tunnel is there, just glassed over. sdfish, my Montauk is Smirkless and one hour away, these two threads I will link you to are for the Smirked Montauk, like yours >>> http://www.whalercentral.com/forum/viewthread.php?thread_id=1412 http://continuouswave.com/ubb/Forum3/HTML/006988.html
sdfish	posted 07-12-2013 10:03 AM ET (US) Q - thanks for posting that link. It is just what I was looking for. Switching out the console will be next winters project for me. JC - yes, my 1984 has a tunnel in the center to run cables. The current hole in my boat runs from the location of the center console to the sum in the rear. The supers sport model does not have an access hole in the location of where the Montauk RPS would be to run fuel lins. I will have to open up a hole there to run my fuel line. Thanks!
hullinthewater	posted 07-12-2013 11:47 AM ET (US) Lots of input all of a sudden. As I posted originally, my hull is [was] a 1987 SuperSport w/Mahogany lo-console setup and it has the rigging tunnel and fore and aft sumps, understandably and like sdfish, I have no 'hawse-hole' where a Montauk RPS seat would be for fuel line route. Regarding the provided link to the "Plan view", if I'm not mistaken, that looks more like a Montauk 170; whether they're identical in "console to stern" dimension, I'm not sure. Also not sure if the 170 console is same length dimension as former Montauk designs either. sdfish, part of my original query has been recently answered by a posted pic on WhalerCentral of a memeber Montauk resto. It was a cockpit deck view that showed the back "feet" of the console positioned about even with the beginning of those famous little side ramps on our "pre-170/post '76" decks. On the other hand, I can't be certain that the pictured console hasn't been moved. Adding to my quandry is the fact that my chosen console has a seat/locker built into it, which gives it about a 34" overall length, and I believe a picture I took of an original console with a tape measure laid out next to it, showed the Montauk console to be about 26" overall length. My new console, being 8" longer than stock, will cut down the space between the anchor locker and the console somewhat. These are small boats to begin with, and I just made mine a bit smaller [indirectly]. OTOH, these are good problems to have in life. Stay tuned, the console hasn't arrived yet. BTW: My console is produced with a base 1" flange for direct screw down install, which I won't do b/c I don't like holes in the deck, regardless of how much 4200, 5200 or Sikaflex or stainless screws, time and moisture will win eventually. Someday I'll post pics of the screws I had to 'oversize drill-out' on my deck from the BW install of the original Mahogany console setup. Not saying BW created an unecessary point of ingress for water to the inner hull-foam, since it may have been the original dealer or owner adding a few reinforcement blocks, but when I removed that console setup, the stainless screws were solid rust-welds in the floor laminate with just a hint of wet wood particles reporting. My alternate install will use fiberglass L angle 'West System-ed' to the deck. I purchased some 2" square fiberglass tube and will cut it along it's length at 2 opposite corners, to make the L angles. Then layout inside the console and 'glass' them to the deck, then thru bolt to console. No doubt I will need to remove a bit of gelcoat for each L angle used. If done correctly, I hope to be able to implement a 'hinged' console for easier access if any mods or additions come up, by only leaving 2 bolts in place on opposite sides of either the front or back of console, thereby allowing it to 'tilt-up' on one end or the other. I will also use square tube to install a future T-Top, but instaed of L angle, I'll use square tube sections glassed to the deck and then thru-bolt the bases to the tube. So, according to 'Hoyle', it sounds simple on paper- we'll see.
hullinthewater	posted 07-12-2013 12:48 PM ET (US) sdfish- browsing the links provided by Qtrmeg, this seemed to be the best answer, straight form a similar years Montauk owner: Legobusier posted 08-31-2004 09:06 PM ET (US) -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- My '87 is 33" from the back of the bow locker bulkhead to the front of the console (about 12" off the deck). Hope this helps. Chris -------------------- What 'Legobusier' says somewhat agrees with the picture I saw at WhalerCentral; back of a similar year Montauk console set even with beginning of side ramps. I may use it as a start point, then decide how much 'fishing room' I can live with bewteen locker and front of console. OTOH, these boats are really only comfortable fishers for two- seems like a third really does make a crowd.
sdfish	posted 07-13-2013 12:34 AM ET (US) Hull - yep, Ill use that as a starting point. I'd love to see your setup ideas, sound interesting. You may want to take a look at this link for ideas. http://www.bdoutdoors.com/forums/check-out-my-boat/164108-1962-boston-whaler-refit-picture-heavy.html I will install using aluminum angles screwed to he floor.
hullinthewater	posted 07-13-2013 02:47 PM ET (US) I'll keep this thread updated. BTW: the more I thought about it, and the more I filled and Awlgrip'd the cockpit, the further I wanted to get away from thru-deck-screws. But that's just me: old boat-old dude....and the dude abides. sdfish- is that sd for san diego?
sdfish	posted 07-13-2013 11:21 PM ET (US) Yep, I live in Carlsbad. Where are you located?
hullinthewater	posted 07-14-2013 12:19 PM ET (US) What are the odds? I live near Batiquitos. Getting ready to install my rub rail today- I anticipate a minor struggle. Still weighing whether to use aluminum rivets or stainless screws. Also of whether there is any merit to using a caulk or adhesive on any part of the rub rail against the gunnel, other than the fastener drill holes.
sdfish	posted 07-14-2013 10:16 PM ET (US) Awesome. Let's see if we can get together an exchange notes. Hope all went well with the rub rail. I was able to get out and fish this morning. I fished the kelp in front of the power plant for a few small calicos. Beautiful morning on the water.
hullinthewater	posted 07-15-2013 02:46 AM ET (US) Glad someone got the best of the day. I had to finish prep for a last Awlgrip to sumps and a couple exterior hull side repairs by previous owner. I wont have my console for at least 2-3 weeks, so I decided to wait on rub rail install later. Need to finish Awlgrip while engine is off. Next up will be electric harness and battery plans. Then control cables. Lots to do. Also need to factor out whether or not I want hydraulic steering. Add to that a fuel line hawser to tunnel. That will make a crowded tunnel. Still- good problems to have in life. yeah- drop me an email sometime to compare notes. jps10@sbcglobal.net