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mattr posted 05-30-2000 02:03 PM ET (US)   Profile for mattr   Send Email to mattr  
I am in the market for a 17 Montauk, and have noticed that it is rare to find one with a second outboard for trolling (most dealers keep them for themselves!) Whatever I buy, I will probably have to add a smaller outboard for my needs. What is a good size to push the montauk, and what is the best way to mount it? I've seen pictures with the smaller outboard just attached to the transom - just as the primary outboard is attached (I am assuming the kicker in this case was a long-shaft, and I have seen the springboard-type of motor mount where the smaller motor is lowered into the water with a lever system.

What is the best way to measure where the prop should be when it is in the water - since the motor is off-center?

Thanks in advance for your advice! Great site, too - I'm learning tons!

sr posted 05-30-2000 10:55 PM ET (US)     Profile for sr  Send Email to sr     
We've equipped our montauk with a 9.9 honda long shaft pull start, at 90+lbs, thats about as far as I'd go. It is set on the transom, plumbed into the main tank (main motor is oil inj.) and connected with an e-z-steer coupling that turns from the helm. If it's mainly lakes you do I think that a little as a 5 (perhaps a 3) will easily push the hull to trolling speeds. We opted for the 9.9 as we spend much fishing hours on the ocean, and often troll at 5 mph +. As far as locating the kicker, there's only one place it will fit, the left transom, situated close to the top of the curved transom. I wouldnt consider one of the spring loaded mounts, it places the kicker pretty far back of the transom, hard to tilt-up, operate, etc.
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mattr posted 05-31-2000 08:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for mattr  Send Email to mattr     
sr -

I had an 8hp Yamaha on my 24' sailboat - that boat weighed almost three times as much as a Montauk does - so I assumed a 6-8 hp would do fine, but I wanted to confirm that with current whaler people. I will probably split time between lakes and ocean (I live in Portland, ME) so that is a good point about power needed for ocean trolling.

I'll look to a long shaft for transom mounting - Thanks for your reply! much appreiciated!

mattr

sr posted 06-01-2000 12:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for sr  Send Email to sr     
Mattr
Just a side note, on our fuel delivery I ran the line from the tank to a spin-on filter mounted by double nutting a ss plate to the main motor mount bolts. The filter base has two outlets, one now goes to the main, the other to the kicker with each leg having their own prime bulb. When converting from one power source to the other make sure to squeeze the bulb a couple times to make sure you don't have a vacuum.
sr
lhg posted 06-09-2000 12:32 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
For over 30 years now Whaler has recommended that the trolling motor be clamped and through bolted at the bottom directly to the transom, and there is wood in the raised (higher) section for this purpose. Be SURE to get the 20" shaft engine that they recommend (not easy to find used unless it's off a sailboat), and you can probably go as low as 7 1/2 hp. The starboard side is best, as the weight of the engine will compensate for propeller torque and subsequent lean to port while underway with the main engine. (See Louie's 22 Guardian installation). Don't worry if the engine shaft in the down position is not vertical, which it can't be because of the slope of the transom. Whaler says the shaft angling in is perfectly OK, but I repeat, you must have a 20" shaft engine to get adequate prop holding and thrust. The engine should sit all the way down on the transom, and not be shimmed level.
mattr posted 06-09-2000 09:38 AM ET (US)     Profile for mattr  Send Email to mattr     
lhg-

I was wondering about how the motor would mount on a sloped transom. No shimming, eh? If it will be through-bolted, does it matter for thrust or any smooth running issues that it will be at a little bit of an angle? I'm going to head over to the 17' area of this web site to check out the wood placement for trolling motor mounting. Thanks for the heads up on that bit of info. I am anxious to purchase my first whaler, and am actually surprised at how much of a hobby just gathering info and looking at used boats has become. Getting the right advice now will save me many headaches later - plus some $, too!

I am a yamaha fan at heart - just because of the good luck I had with my little 8hp. I'd almost rather find a boat and trailer setup sans motor so I can power it with a 70hp and 8hp match - four strokes would be great, but on a montauk, the added weight would be a downer.

Anyway, thanks again for the post!

Mattr

Bill D posted 06-09-2000 10:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for Bill D  Send Email to Bill D     
Matt, just a thought here. Not sure where/type of trolling you'll be doing but you might considered just using the main engine. I used to run my Montauk 20+ miles offshore and troll and never worried about using a kicker. Even when trolling live bait and slow/slow speed was needed a simple sea anchor (5-gal bucket and rope) solved the problem. While a kicker will get in you should the main fail so will calling Sea Tow. For $98 a year nobody should be without tow insurance. Its easy to run up a $1000+ tow bill if your off shore. Besides a well maintained engine is pretty reliable. You might consider saving the cost of the kicker. Of course there are lots of good arguments for one, but just thought I mention this.
Bruce Boehle posted 06-15-2000 10:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bruce Boehle  Send Email to Bruce Boehle     
Does anyone have any experience with a Johnson 9.9 four stroke as a kicker on a Nauset. I am partial to Yamaha but don't have a dealer in my area of Ohio. A local dealer tells me they are as good as the Yamahas and Hondas. Of course he is bias. What is your opinion?
Clark Roberts posted 06-15-2000 10:26 PM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
Bruce, I believe that the OMC 4 strokers are rebadged Suzukis... Hondas are unique and the Merc and Yamaha 4 strokers are same engines (merc/yamaha joint venture). They look different because of unique cowlings and mid sections but the power heads and lower units are the same... Any of the above should be good engines... Dealer/Service availability may sway decision... And of course there's this brand loyalty thing also.. Happy Whalin'..... Clark
whalernut posted 06-15-2000 10:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Evinrude 4-strokers are acctually made by Suzuki. As for reliability and performance, I don`t know that one. Regards-Jack Graner.
Bruce Boehle posted 06-15-2000 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bruce Boehle  Send Email to Bruce Boehle     
Clark,
Thanks for the input. I'm not sure if I want a Suzuki/OMC or not? Maybe the Yamaha would be better even if the dealer is an hour+ drive away. Besides a pair of Yamahas would have to look better!
lhg posted 06-15-2000 10:50 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I recently saw an article that indicated the Suzuki 4 strokes were the best of them all, better and smoother than the Hondas and Merc/Yahamas. This was in the mid-range engines, up to about 70HP.
Bruce Boehle posted 06-27-2000 07:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Bruce Boehle  Send Email to Bruce Boehle     
I am back on the kicker search again. Stopped by a Merc/Yam dealer today and the fellow was pushing the 15HP 4stroke over the 9.9HP. He says it the exact same motor just with a different carb and exhaust. Same weight(111 lbs.), size etc. Is there a reason why I wouldn't want to have the extra power? It would be great on my little aluminum small lake boat. I guess he also sells the 9.9hp decals for the HP limited lakes. It's only 200 bucks more and I assume my Nauset wouldn't mind since it is the same? Thoughts? Thanks, Bruce

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