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sr posted 06-01-2000 12:24 AM ET (US)   Profile for sr   Send Email to sr  
Is it worth having our quicksilver volans compass that leaked all the fluid out repaired? Or is it considered a consuable?
If so anyone have recommendations. I frequently fish in weather below freezing.
dfmcintyre posted 06-02-2000 07:49 AM ET (US)     Profile for dfmcintyre  Send Email to dfmcintyre     
sr -

I can't recall ever hearing of a quicksilver volans. Due to the first name, it may have been part of a Mercury Motor line, and installed as a package.

The factory usually mounted a Richie compass of some sorts.

I've been very happy with either the Richie or Danforth line. No problems about freezing.

Best - Don McIntyre

sr posted 06-08-2000 11:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for sr  Send Email to sr     
Well, I pulled the compass today and opened her up. It is filled with some mineral spirit type fluid that ate thru the bottom rubber diaphram that allows espansion / contraction. Trash. Anyone with a suggestion for a quality compass with compensation adjustment and moderate price. It will have fit in the top of my montauk console and be in the 2-3/4 to 3 inch range.
lhg posted 06-09-2000 02:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
My 1989 Boston Whaler price book shows that the factory supplied compass (option) on a Montauk, and all Outrage & Revenge models, was a Ritchie "Navigator" surface mount compass. This compass can be purchased from a discount house for about $225, and is highly recommended. Surface mounted compasses were installed on all mechanical steered boats, since a recessed mount compass would have magnetic interference from the steerer head. I have one of these on my outrage, which also uses the Montauk console, and this can be seen on page 3 in the Cetecea section. I highly recommend this top quality compass that Whaler used to furnish.
bigz posted 06-09-2000 08:14 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Hamilton Marine in Maine has the flush mount Richie Nav. currently listed at $185.49 plus shipping (order # RIT-FN201) --- regards Thomas
Sam Collins posted 06-09-2000 08:21 AM ET (US)     Profile for Sam Collins  Send Email to Sam Collins     
E. S. Ritchie & Sons, Inc.
243 Oak Street
P.O. Box 548
Pembroke, MA. 02359
P: 781-826-5131
F: 781-826-7336
bigz posted 06-09-2000 10:01 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    

Just dawned on me the Ritchie Navigator particularly the binnacle surface mount is probably way to big for your Montauk (also the flush mount probably would take up to much space) --- on our 27 super console it might look and work ok but takes up a heck of a lot of room with a 4.5" dial--- actually what was installed on our '78 20' Outrage and also on our '87 27 cc cuddy was the flush mounted Ritchie Helmsman with a 3.75 dial. ( on our recent 1100 miles up the ICW the Ritchie on the 27 was right on with the Lowrance GM 2000 GPS course bearing --- even though the GPS did have a slight lag time)
At present if I was replacing it would consider the new Ritchie Super Sport flush mount --- you can easily compensate for any magnetic interference when you do the installation --- the Super Sport is designed for sport power boats and offers high speed no spin performance at a price slightly higher than the Helmsman ---
Makes little difference whether it is bulkhead --- binnacle --- or flush all of them need to be adjusted when installed to compensate for each boats magnetic interference ---
Just some ideas --- since we all have them and I have mine for whatever there worth --- Thomas

sr posted 06-09-2000 10:11 AM ET (US)     Profile for sr  Send Email to sr     
Thanks for the info all! I'll look at the ritchie, I'll be passing thru a town with a west marine near here later today, I hope they have a selection. I use that compass all the time. It in conjunction w/ my loran (soon gps) is my life line while battling the pea soup offshore.
lhg posted 06-09-2000 03:09 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
West Marine is a great outfit, and I use them a lot, but I have found them to be the HIGHEST price of any of the marine supply retailers.
They advertise that their prices "won't be beat", which in itself is a tip-off to bring in the competitors catalog for price matching. Very clever marketing strategy! 90% of what I have bought there is with "price matching" to someone else! Shoreway Marine, Bass Pro, Cabela's and Post generally have the best published catalog prices.
bigz posted 06-09-2000 04:14 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
sr and Larry,

Your absolutely right on the West pricing Larry(though thay had a great deal on Exxon oil recently bought 3 cases of gallons), I use Shoreway for the most part(was in there just yesterday) and Cabela's on occasion --- however the best selection even though they might be a few bucks higher for Ritchie compasses is Hamilton Marine up in Maine that I have come across, their link is in the above post, request a catalog, they have a lot of stuff and some of the best bulk pricing on nuts and bolts you'll find in ss.


lhg posted 06-09-2000 05:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Tom: I got some of that Exxon TCW-3 from West also. On a regular basis, don't overlook Walmart's TCW-3 @ 6.95/gal or K-Mart (Texaco brand) @ 5.95/gal.
bigz posted 06-10-2000 07:30 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    

Thank for the tip off on the other oils, appreciated.

Now here is something strange, could be my imagination, we bought 12 gallons of Exxon at West in Daytona, used it up around Bell Haven NC so had to switch to Chevron --- like I said could be my imagination but the Yamaha's were not at all happy campers after the switch -- appeared to start to run a tad rough, blew a heck of a lot more smoke than before (like Clark says you do want to see that smoke -- then yeah know there getting plenty of lube) and the port engine idle seemed go out of wack on an erratic basis (he would cut out at the most inopportune times) --- maybe none can be contributed to the oil --- however today will reload the reservoirs with Exxon and see what happens ---


sr posted 06-12-2000 11:00 PM ET (US)     Profile for sr  Send Email to sr     
I picked up a ritchie voyager about $90 out the door. Not the best they had, but if it does not work out I'll upgrade. The main reason I went with this model is size. The super sport was almost in my bag, but that is large. The other higher quality compasses were all in the 3-3/4" to 4" range a large item to fit on our montauk's console, plus the replacement fit with only 3 new mounting screw holes and a bit of trimming at the fluid fill hole. The voyager will do for now and actually has a couple nice features that our old quicksilver did not. It has two lights one in the sphere to back light the card and another in the movable sunscreen. I suppose that the manufacturers do not build a super quality compass in the smaller sizes. I guess they figure, what good would it do in a small boat that moves around alot?
Anyways, I'll let you know if it fails to perform. On it's first use on the lake saturday a high speed blast for 5 miles did not result in any card spinning. Now to the ocean, where our old compass had a habit of not holding steady. Thanks all.
sr posted 06-17-2000 01:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for sr  Send Email to sr     
What's up with this. I already have a huge bubble in the compass!! I bought it at 700'asl reside at 2000'asl. How do I eliminate it or do I take it back!!
sr posted 06-18-2000 06:04 PM ET (US)     Profile for sr  Send Email to sr     
Need to take it back. Fluid leaking out the bottom. Just a fluke? I'm really in a quandry. Back to square 1. Does anyone have a good report on a compass that is 3" or less for the montauk? Maybe the ritchie nav.?
sr posted 06-24-2000 02:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for sr  Send Email to sr     
well gentlemen, I swapped it in on another voyager. About the largest I really need. The super sport once again looked good, though just too big.
wds posted 06-25-2000 09:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for wds  Send Email to wds     
I just installed a Ritche SS-1000 Supersport on a 17' Montauk, and it looks fine!

Before it's installed, the thing looked way to big, but I liked the blue dial so installed it anyway. Flush with the top of the console, it's fine.

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