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dan firth posted 07-29-2000 08:13 PM ET (US)
I have found a 1981 22O/R with an I/O. I have no experience with this model; I have been looking for one with a Whaler Drive bracket. Any comments on how the I/O model performs compared to the standard outboard version? Is it tail heavy? Any suggestions about things I should be concerned about? Thanks for the help....
whalernut posted 07-29-2000 11:28 PM ET (US)
Dan, the only thing I can ad is I was looking at a 70something Revenge with a v-8 I/O, but I woudn`t touch it because it has the OMC white outdrive with the boot and the engine tilts to tilt the outdrive. The system is complicated and they changed so much that parts are very hard to come by. What kind of outdrive does the Revenge you are looking at have? If OMC, I would stay away! Regards-Jack Graner.
dan firth posted 07-30-2000 12:46 AM ET (US)
Apparantly the motor is a 1981 5.7 liter Mercruiser (is this a subsidary of OMC?), rebuilt with 250 hours on it. The boat was a law enforcement boat on Lake Mead-I don't know much more and haven't seen it yet-it's about a 5 hour drive away. I'd like to know more about the handling characteristics and why if the design was a good idea that Whaler didn't sell more of them. Thanks for the info on the OMC motor.
bigz posted 07-30-2000 06:26 AM ET (US)
Jack --- Dan's talking about a stern drive Outrage! Also,Larry will correct me if I'm wrong, Whaler didn't make a stern drive Revenge that I'm aware of in the 70's -- possible in '79 after the deep V design not sure ---
If nothing else Dan you'll have plenty of power in that Outrage --- maybe Larry G or Clark Roberts will commit on performance and why I/O's weren't big sellers --- I have a few thoughts but mine were formed with prejudice so won't commit --- Tom
whalernut posted 07-30-2000 10:43 AM ET (US)
Dan, the 350cid Mercruiser is a great engine. It is a Chevy 350cid. with the type 1 Mercruiser outdrive. No Mercruiser is not an OMC, it is a division of Mercury marine. Bigs, are you sure Dan is talking about an Outrage, it sounds like a Revenge to me. I believe Whaler made a `21 Revenge in 81`? Regards-Jack Graner.
bigz posted 07-30-2000 11:05 AM ET (US)
Jack --- "1981 22O/R with an I/O" based on the title of the post translates into 1981 22ft Out-rage inboard outboard --- mute point! Dan will correct me if I goofed, Tom
dan firth posted 07-30-2000 09:16 PM ET (US)
Sorry for the confusion! The boat is an Outrage! I'm trying to arrange to see the boat in the next week or so. I assume that it has a full transom and that the engine compartment will intrude somewhat into the deck area so there may not be as much room as on a 22 Outrage with a Whaler Drive. However, if I'm not mistaken, the motor should be much quieter than an outboard, which will make my wife REALLY happy! What's your feeling on the overall seaworthiness of this model over the 22 Outrage with an outboard motor? Any problems with water intrusion? What about the handling? By the way, you guys are a wealth of information. I have been reading this forum for the past few months and cannot believe how knowledgeable you all are! I learn new stuff every day! Dan
Peter posted 07-30-2000 09:32 PM ET (US)
Dan,
I have only seen one of the I/O 22s around here in the NE. Since I first saw it, the person has converted the boat to an outboard with something like an Armstrong bracket. I would think that should tell you something. It has been my observation that I/Os (non-whaler) generally seem to experience more difficulties than outboards when they are kept in the water full time. Based on the problems I have seen over the years, I am not a big fan of I/Os.
Hope this helps. BTW, I wish the teak on my 18 looked half as good as yours.
Peter posted 07-30-2000 09:36 PM ET (US)
Dan,
Also forgot to mention that I know someone that had a nice 80's Pursuit I/O that had the same thing done, i.e., rather than replace the I/O, they converted the boat to an outboard by glassing over the opening and fitting the transom with an Armstrong bracket.
lhg posted 07-31-2000 03:26 PM ET (US)
Dan: If the 22 Outrage stern drive is a law enforcement boat, you probably won't be interested. They tend to get hard use and not much TLC. Repairs, when made, tend to be "homemade jobs" by the resident police mechanic! Not many of us would consider buying a used police cruiser for the family auto. That being said, you might want to contact Don McIntyre here on the Forum, since he used to own a 25 I/O, picture shown on Cetecea. The full transom on these is nice, but there is also a large "engine box" which leaves room for a couple of narrow stern corner seats. I don't have too much other info on these relatively rare models.
dan firth posted 07-31-2000 08:22 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like I need to wait for a 22 with the Whaler Drive.

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Author	Topic: Outrage 22 with I/O 5.7 Mercruiser
dan firth	posted 07-29-2000 08:13 PM ET (US) I have found a 1981 22O/R with an I/O. I have no experience with this model; I have been looking for one with a Whaler Drive bracket. Any comments on how the I/O model performs compared to the standard outboard version? Is it tail heavy? Any suggestions about things I should be concerned about? Thanks for the help....
whalernut	posted 07-29-2000 11:28 PM ET (US) Dan, the only thing I can ad is I was looking at a 70something Revenge with a v-8 I/O, but I woudn`t touch it because it has the OMC white outdrive with the boot and the engine tilts to tilt the outdrive. The system is complicated and they changed so much that parts are very hard to come by. What kind of outdrive does the Revenge you are looking at have? If OMC, I would stay away! Regards-Jack Graner.
dan firth	posted 07-30-2000 12:46 AM ET (US) Apparantly the motor is a 1981 5.7 liter Mercruiser (is this a subsidary of OMC?), rebuilt with 250 hours on it. The boat was a law enforcement boat on Lake Mead-I don't know much more and haven't seen it yet-it's about a 5 hour drive away. I'd like to know more about the handling characteristics and why if the design was a good idea that Whaler didn't sell more of them. Thanks for the info on the OMC motor.
bigz	posted 07-30-2000 06:26 AM ET (US) Jack --- Dan's talking about a stern drive Outrage! Also,Larry will correct me if I'm wrong, Whaler didn't make a stern drive Revenge that I'm aware of in the 70's -- possible in '79 after the deep V design not sure --- If nothing else Dan you'll have plenty of power in that Outrage --- maybe Larry G or Clark Roberts will commit on performance and why I/O's weren't big sellers --- I have a few thoughts but mine were formed with prejudice so won't commit --- Tom
whalernut	posted 07-30-2000 10:43 AM ET (US) Dan, the 350cid Mercruiser is a great engine. It is a Chevy 350cid. with the type 1 Mercruiser outdrive. No Mercruiser is not an OMC, it is a division of Mercury marine. Bigs, are you sure Dan is talking about an Outrage, it sounds like a Revenge to me. I believe Whaler made a `21 Revenge in 81`? Regards-Jack Graner.
bigz	posted 07-30-2000 11:05 AM ET (US) Jack --- "1981 22O/R with an I/O" based on the title of the post translates into 1981 22ft Out-rage inboard outboard --- mute point! Dan will correct me if I goofed, Tom
dan firth	posted 07-30-2000 09:16 PM ET (US) Sorry for the confusion! The boat is an Outrage! I'm trying to arrange to see the boat in the next week or so. I assume that it has a full transom and that the engine compartment will intrude somewhat into the deck area so there may not be as much room as on a 22 Outrage with a Whaler Drive. However, if I'm not mistaken, the motor should be much quieter than an outboard, which will make my wife REALLY happy! What's your feeling on the overall seaworthiness of this model over the 22 Outrage with an outboard motor? Any problems with water intrusion? What about the handling? By the way, you guys are a wealth of information. I have been reading this forum for the past few months and cannot believe how knowledgeable you all are! I learn new stuff every day! Dan
Peter	posted 07-30-2000 09:32 PM ET (US) Dan, I have only seen one of the I/O 22s around here in the NE. Since I first saw it, the person has converted the boat to an outboard with something like an Armstrong bracket. I would think that should tell you something. It has been my observation that I/Os (non-whaler) generally seem to experience more difficulties than outboards when they are kept in the water full time. Based on the problems I have seen over the years, I am not a big fan of I/Os. Hope this helps. BTW, I wish the teak on my 18 looked half as good as yours.
Peter	posted 07-30-2000 09:36 PM ET (US) Dan, Also forgot to mention that I know someone that had a nice 80's Pursuit I/O that had the same thing done, i.e., rather than replace the I/O, they converted the boat to an outboard by glassing over the opening and fitting the transom with an Armstrong bracket.
lhg	posted 07-31-2000 03:26 PM ET (US) Dan: If the 22 Outrage stern drive is a law enforcement boat, you probably won't be interested. They tend to get hard use and not much TLC. Repairs, when made, tend to be "homemade jobs" by the resident police mechanic! Not many of us would consider buying a used police cruiser for the family auto. That being said, you might want to contact Don McIntyre here on the Forum, since he used to own a 25 I/O, picture shown on Cetecea. The full transom on these is nice, but there is also a large "engine box" which leaves room for a couple of narrow stern corner seats. I don't have too much other info on these relatively rare models.
dan firth	posted 07-31-2000 08:22 PM ET (US) Thanks for the feedback. Sounds like I need to wait for a 22 with the Whaler Drive.