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compounder posted 09-03-2000 01:20 PM ET (US)
Haven't seen any posts from you since you said you were awaiting delivery of your Montauk with 70 horse 4-stroke. Would like to know you impressions and observations so far. I am still trying to decide on the new engine for my Montauk---thought I was down to the 60 Merc or the 50 Honda, but still listening. Thanks.
Hoop posted 09-03-2000 02:51 PM ET (US)
I've got about 12 hours on my new Montauk and Evinrude 70hp 4 stroke (made by Suzuki) and I love them both. The Evinvrude has more power than the Honda 50hp, which I had had on a Dauntless 15, is quieter (believe it or not ...), and is easier to start. I appreciate the "easier to start" part especially. Have not once, even when cold, had a problem starting the 70 hp, which had been the case with 50 hp Honda.
The 50 hp Honda has 3 carbs, and really needs to have the 3 carbs specially timed. The first dealer that sold me the boat didn't know how, or chose not to, tune the carbs/engine in the way required. I took it to another mechanic who looked at the engine, saw that the factory color marks were still on the carb linkages, and told me in a moment that it hadn't been tuned properly. The new mechanic, Randy Helms in Alameda, now with Mariner Boatworks (?), tuned it and it ran like a top ever since, though occasionally being hard to start and susceptable to flooding. You need to hold the choke down.
The Evinrude 70 hp four stroke seems to possess none of the special requirements of the Honda. It just starts every time and runs real nice. It has an automatic choke.
During this break in time, the first 20 hours, the manual advises not opening it up and to vary the speed. So I haven't had it above 4500 rpm, where it runs at 27mph, and at 4000 it runs at 22 mph on the GPS.
The 70hp is a heavy engine, though I have not taken water backing up. I did take water when I was standing in the stern, drifting stern-to on the Golden Gate side of Angel Island. Didn't take too much water, though.
I have not put a DoelFin on it yet, but I am thinking about it. I had a DoelFin on the Honda and I really thought it helped pop the Dauntless 15 up on plane. I just haven't had a feeling that popping on plane is a problem for the Montauk with the 70hp four stroke.
Hoop, San Jose, CA
compounder posted 09-03-2000 05:08 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the reply Hoop. If you know and don't mind revealing the price of the motor alone on you rig, I would appreciate having some information to help me negotiate a competitive price if I decide on a 70 HP. Also, any handle on fuel consumption so far?
What was the top speed of your Dauntless with the 50 Honda? Thanks.
Hoop posted 09-03-2000 11:22 PM ET (US)
Compounder, Got a package deal, boat and motor, one price. My guess is that the motor was probably around $7K. Somewhere (a magazine, I think) I saw list prices of motors, and my recollection was that the Suzuki 70hp four stroke was less expensive than the same motor by Evinrude. The way they price motors, though, you have to be careful, because prop, controls, etc, may or may not be included and will definitely add to the price.
I had the Dauntless up to 29 mph at 6000 rpm with the Honda 50. I think I could have got a few more mph by raising the motor 3/4 inch on the transom. Hoop

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Author	Topic: Question for Hoop
compounder	posted 09-03-2000 01:20 PM ET (US) Haven't seen any posts from you since you said you were awaiting delivery of your Montauk with 70 horse 4-stroke. Would like to know you impressions and observations so far. I am still trying to decide on the new engine for my Montauk---thought I was down to the 60 Merc or the 50 Honda, but still listening. Thanks.
Hoop	posted 09-03-2000 02:51 PM ET (US) I've got about 12 hours on my new Montauk and Evinrude 70hp 4 stroke (made by Suzuki) and I love them both. The Evinvrude has more power than the Honda 50hp, which I had had on a Dauntless 15, is quieter (believe it or not ...), and is easier to start. I appreciate the "easier to start" part especially. Have not once, even when cold, had a problem starting the 70 hp, which had been the case with 50 hp Honda. The 50 hp Honda has 3 carbs, and really needs to have the 3 carbs specially timed. The first dealer that sold me the boat didn't know how, or chose not to, tune the carbs/engine in the way required. I took it to another mechanic who looked at the engine, saw that the factory color marks were still on the carb linkages, and told me in a moment that it hadn't been tuned properly. The new mechanic, Randy Helms in Alameda, now with Mariner Boatworks (?), tuned it and it ran like a top ever since, though occasionally being hard to start and susceptable to flooding. You need to hold the choke down. The Evinrude 70 hp four stroke seems to possess none of the special requirements of the Honda. It just starts every time and runs real nice. It has an automatic choke. During this break in time, the first 20 hours, the manual advises not opening it up and to vary the speed. So I haven't had it above 4500 rpm, where it runs at 27mph, and at 4000 it runs at 22 mph on the GPS. The 70hp is a heavy engine, though I have not taken water backing up. I did take water when I was standing in the stern, drifting stern-to on the Golden Gate side of Angel Island. Didn't take too much water, though. I have not put a DoelFin on it yet, but I am thinking about it. I had a DoelFin on the Honda and I really thought it helped pop the Dauntless 15 up on plane. I just haven't had a feeling that popping on plane is a problem for the Montauk with the 70hp four stroke. Hoop, San Jose, CA
compounder	posted 09-03-2000 05:08 PM ET (US) Thanks for the reply Hoop. If you know and don't mind revealing the price of the motor alone on you rig, I would appreciate having some information to help me negotiate a competitive price if I decide on a 70 HP. Also, any handle on fuel consumption so far? What was the top speed of your Dauntless with the 50 Honda? Thanks.
Hoop	posted 09-03-2000 11:22 PM ET (US) Compounder, Got a package deal, boat and motor, one price. My guess is that the motor was probably around $7K. Somewhere (a magazine, I think) I saw list prices of motors, and my recollection was that the Suzuki 70hp four stroke was less expensive than the same motor by Evinrude. The way they price motors, though, you have to be careful, because prop, controls, etc, may or may not be included and will definitely add to the price. I had the Dauntless up to 29 mph at 6000 rpm with the Honda 50. I think I could have got a few more mph by raising the motor 3/4 inch on the transom. Hoop