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Maui Whaler posted 01-12-2001 12:42 AM ET (US)   Profile for Maui Whaler   Send Email to Maui Whaler  
I am new to the world of whaler. I got my first whaler last summer. A mint 76 Newport. Whalers are hard to find up here. Due to a set of unfortunate events, my 85 Merc has to go. Do any of you "Wise Whalers" have suggestions for a replacement motor. I am all ears (in this case eyes) Thanks
Clark Roberts posted 01-12-2001 09:02 AM ET (US)     Profile for Clark Roberts  Send Email to Clark Roberts     
maui, the 17 Whaler will operate with a wide range of hp... from 50-100 and depending on the intended use you could choose the right hp for you.. a 50 will push to around 35mph and get up and go with 4 passengers no problem... a 70hp may be ideal and a 100hp is overkill (my opinions, from experience). an engine around 250lbs will provide min. draft and quick handling.. some of the 90-100hp four strokers may be too heavy! My pick, if I were repowering a 17 Whaler would be the new Merc/Yamaha 60hp four stoker at around 210lbs or so.. Now, dealer service may sway decision... Good luck... Clark.. Spruce Creek Navy...
JimU posted 01-12-2001 01:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for JimU  Send Email to JimU     
Depending on your budget my choice would be in the 85-90 hp range. My choice on a 16-7 Whaler was a new(2001) C-90 Yamaha that I got a real good deal on. It works fine, 45+ mph with one person, two batteries, and 20 gals of fuel. Good Luck.
andygere posted 01-12-2001 05:44 PM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
I have an 85 hp Johnson on my Montauk, and I really like the power it offers with a heavy load. I carry 2 batteries, a 15 hp kicker and a lot of fuel. Top speed is nice, around 37 mph, but more importantly for me, it jumps up on plane very quickly. This motor will not troll slower than 2.5 - 3 mph (thus the kicker) with the 13.25 x 17 prop that's on it. Also, since it's an older carbed motor, it sucks gas like crazy. I use the boat for fishing and cruising in the ocean off of Central California. To a lesser degree I also use it for fishing in protected water. There is a lot of discussion on motors in the earlier threads on this board, so take a look for some other opinions, and try to match the writer's use of the boat with yours. I'd say that most discussions regarding Montauks would also apply for your Newport. I would also give serious consideration to local dealer support and parts availability when choosing a brand.
Dick posted 01-12-2001 07:33 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
I am running a Merc 50 4 stroke on my Montauk and with 2 people and the dog it will top out in the mid 30s. On plane quickley and runs smooth and quiet.
I am very happy with the combination.
Dick
Macman posted 01-12-2001 08:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for Macman  Send Email to Macman     
I have a Yamaha 70 2 stroke on my Montauk. It seems pretty perfect to me....dependable, plenty of power, and will troll reasonably well. It looks like the same engine that Jimh has a pair of on his transom.
compounder posted 01-12-2001 09:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for compounder  Send Email to compounder     
I'll second andygere's suggestion to base much of your decision on a good, nearby dealer. I recently re-powered my Montauk with a Yamaha C-90 and really like it. I'm not wild about oil-injection---rather mix my own and KNOW that lubrication is there! Good luck.
stagalv posted 01-12-2001 11:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for stagalv  Send Email to stagalv     
How much are you guys paying for the new or newer Yamaha 90's? Just curious.
triblet posted 01-13-2001 11:17 AM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
There's been much discussion of repowering
Montauks. I think that would apply to your
Newport also.

Chuck

compounder posted 01-13-2001 04:08 PM ET (US)     Profile for compounder  Send Email to compounder     
stagalv, I found a 1999 "leftover" new Yamaha C-90 at a nearby dealer. He installed it on my Montauk for $5450 including installation,SS prop,controls, and taxes. I've since been told I could have gotten a 2000 or 2001 for that price, but I sure couldn't negotiate a deal like that around here. I don't think they have made any significant change in this engine for several years, and I plan to keep it a long time, so model year doesn't mean much to me.
Maui Whaler posted 01-15-2001 10:51 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maui Whaler  Send Email to Maui Whaler     
Thanks to everyone that gave me all the information, and what was on other threads. I guess I will be spending alot of time at the boat shows once they start up here. In the meantime I'm off to Florida to fantasize over the Whaler rigs down there. Thanks again you are a great bunch and a very good site.
JimU posted 01-22-2001 03:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for JimU  Send Email to JimU     
I got a new (2001) C-90 Yam with upgraded binnacle mount controls for around $5200 plus tax.
Ossabaw posted 01-22-2001 04:12 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ossabaw  Send Email to Ossabaw     
In reading this and other posts, it seems after reviewing horsepower and weight, the questions comes down to a 90HP 2 stroke or a 60HP 4 stroke (anything stronger is too heavy). The 2 stroke is more powerfull but not as smooth and fuel efficient. The 60 HP 4 stroke is smoother and cleaner but not as powerful. So, that established, which on is best??? Subjective or is there a tangible answer?
compounder posted 01-22-2001 04:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for compounder  Send Email to compounder     
I would be very surprised if you were satisfied with the performance of a 60hp engine. After riding in a neighbor's Montauk with a 75hp two-stroke, and finding it marginal, I purchased the 90hp two-stroke.
Ossabaw posted 01-22-2001 09:32 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ossabaw  Send Email to Ossabaw     
I leaning that way myself.
andygere posted 01-23-2001 12:54 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
The Evinrude Fict 90 looks like an interesting alternative.....but buying an OMC could be risky due to their financial problems. That said, could be some bargains out there for the brave of heart. Is anyone running one of these? It seems like Yam, Merc and Suzuki are only offering 4 strokes in the Montauk/Newport hp range for those of us required to buy "clean" motors (eg Californians). I did see that Tohatsu/Nissan will be offering a direct injected 90 this spring, but no details are available yet.
stagalv posted 01-23-2001 10:45 AM ET (US)     Profile for stagalv  Send Email to stagalv     
Andy, I just bought a new Evinrude Ficht for my Montauk. Got a hell of a deal. I know some people may think it's crazy to buy an OMC product now but I look at it kind of like buying stock when the market is down. I was able to buy a brand new 115 fuel injected engine for about the same price of a 90 Yamaha. Sure, depending on what happens with the company I may not be able to have the OMC warranty but I can buy an aftermarket 3 year complete warranty for about $670 if in the next few months I see that OMC will not reinstate warranty on previously sold engines. I think the new owners of Johnson/Evinrude will honor previous warranties though. I put alot of thought into the 4 stroke / 2 stroke debate and thought a 2 stroke fuel injected for a great price is the way to go for now and for my application.
andygere posted 01-23-2001 11:36 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Stagalv,
Have you run your new Fict? How do you like it? I know the 115 and the 90 are based on the same block so the weight is about the same, but I'm curious why you went with the 115. I suppose if the price was comperable, getting the stronger engine and not working it as hard is just fine. I have had good results with OMC products over the years (going back to a '68 Evinrude Lark 40) so I hope they get back on track.
stagalv posted 01-23-2001 12:28 PM ET (US)     Profile for stagalv  Send Email to stagalv     
Actually I am sure a 90hp Ficht would run the Montauk very nicely. When I found this dealer selling the Evinrudes cheap I first questioned him about a 90 but he said that he couldn't sell me a 90 for any less $ than I could buy this 115 because of the OMC program on which he bought these motors. SO, since the 115 weighs the same as the 90 and the price was less, I went for the 115. I do realize that it's more power than the boat is rated for and more than it needs but I couldn't pass up paying only $5900 for a brand new 2001 115hp Ficht. I am having my boat Awlgrip painted so it will be about 3 more weeks before I hang the engine and then a month or so before I run it because I have to rig everything. Rex
lhg posted 01-23-2001 03:01 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Further to the OMC situation, yesterday on NPR George Soros commented on the OMC Bankruptcy by saying "There were problems with the engines that could not be fixed".
(direct quote)
There also have been several articles about the improbability of Warranty protection by any new Owner. The problem is the Soros Group is selling to the highest bidder, and since Warranties are a LIABILITY, anybody who includes that will have a hard time being the highest bidder, unless the Courts insist it be included. Who knows?

Using stagalv's purchase as an example, with purchase price and aftermarket warranty price, inspite of the reduced sale price, the cost is the about the same as a new Mercury 90HP 4-stroke (and probably a Yamaha also) that comes with the 3 year warranty ($6700 from Bass Pro). This points out the terrible position OMC Dealers are in with their OMC engine stock.

Chesapeake posted 01-23-2001 06:19 PM ET (US)     Profile for Chesapeake  Send Email to Chesapeake     
I also just bought a new Yamaha C-90 for my '69 Nauset.

Paid just under $5200 net for the motor only. After binnacle, key switch, digital tach, HD morse cable and SS prop I ended up at $6900. My dealer is rigging the whole thing, including instrumentation for another $250.

lhg posted 01-23-2001 07:24 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
I have noticed a lot of interest in the "C" 90. Is this a non-oil injected engine? I know the Yamaha 90 is a great, light weight engine, but I am wondering why so many don't want oil injection, especially since the oil injected models have the integral oil tank like Merc.

Mercury's oil injected 90, also a great engine, goes for $4800. Chesapeake, I assume your Dealer pre-rig package, tach and SS prop is $700 vs $1700 you typed. Those items are also about $700 total from Mercury. The $250 installation work sounds about right.

One of the guys who came to our Rendezvous had a Yamaha 90 on his Nauset and it ran very well and was quite fast.

whalernut posted 01-23-2001 08:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Larry, the C series Yamahas are non oil-injected motors. They are very simple 50;1 mix. They are very light. It is hard for me to find one in stock anywhere in PA. and OH. in 70-90h.p. Acctually they want more for a 70 h.p. C to order one, than a regular oil-injected version of the engine in stock! Most of the dealers never even in stalled one for years and weren`t even sure about them! Thats odd, but what I think they were telling me is they wanted me to buy an in-stock item. Most dealers near me don`t even stock any horespower over 20-30h.p. There is alot of lakes near me that only allow up to 10h.p. engines. The dealers that have a few larger engines are near Lake Erie and seem to be expensive. I am deffinately going to keep my old 75` 85h.p. johnson till it keels over. Regards-Jack Graner.
Ossabaw posted 01-23-2001 09:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ossabaw  Send Email to Ossabaw     
Since I am also looking for new power for an early Newport, I did some calling around today to Yamaha dealers down here. I live in Savannah, Ga so I called locally, across the river in Beaufort SC, Atlanta, and Deland Florida. I found a 2001 c90 (motor only) for $5,200 in Atlanta while the same engine in Beaufort SC was $6,100. The other delears were in that range. An oil injected 90 is $250 more according to the dealers. It seems all of these prices depend on what kind of program the dealers bought the engines under. I am still a few months away from buying the motor, but I wanted to know what kind of price I was looking at.
Scott Pierce.
andygere posted 01-24-2001 02:12 AM ET (US)     Profile for andygere  Send Email to andygere     
Rex,
Sounds like you got a very nice deal, and clearly the 115 was the way to go under the circumstances. Please let us know your thoughts on the Fict after you have had a chance to run it for a while. I think a "clean" 2 stroke is a better alternative for the Montauk, and I wouldn't even consider ever buying another pre-mix motor.
Chesapeake posted 01-24-2001 09:46 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chesapeake  Send Email to Chesapeake     
I take back my previous comment. The Yamaha I bought has a new name for 2001. It is called the 90 TLRZ and it does have the oil injection.

Ordered in October, I had to wait 10 weeks for my local dealer to recieve it from Japan.

Am hearing mixed opinions on this Forum regarding oil injection (whether be for price or reliability). I am anticipating the convenience of not having to premix and am hopeful there is no less reliability with the system.

Bob

SWarren posted 01-24-2001 09:50 AM ET (US)     Profile for SWarren  Send Email to SWarren     
Bob, I have an 87 90 yamaha on my montauk, that injects oil perfect. You will never have to worry about it with your motor. All the systems work perfect. The green light yellow light and red light with the horn is perfect. I dont know how much they have changed it over the years, but you will love it. Just put yamaha ring free fuel additive in your gas and that motor will last forever. Yamaha tend to build carbon up if you dont use it. I had a 40 yam on my old 13 and did the same with it as my 90 and never have had a problem.
Chesapeake posted 01-24-2001 09:57 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chesapeake  Send Email to Chesapeake     
lhg, to your comment regarding price, you are correct. Specifically, the price of my 2001 Yamaha 90 TLRZ was actually $5145. Fully loaded with dig tach, binnacle, morse, stainless prop, and key switch, the cost was $5990. So, my package was more like $845 versus what you have seen. I like to think, however, that I recovered more than that on the negotiation over the motor price.

Best to you.

Bob

compounder posted 01-24-2001 10:31 AM ET (US)     Profile for compounder  Send Email to compounder     
Scott, I recommend you talk to Henry Cook at Cook's Marine Center in Walterboro SC before you buy. Nice folks to deal with. Very small dealership, so you'll get plenty of individual attention and they seem to price aggressively. Phone: 843-893-3200
Ossabaw posted 01-24-2001 11:37 AM ET (US)     Profile for Ossabaw  Send Email to Ossabaw     
Thanks Compounder, I'll check with them also.
Chesapeake posted 01-25-2001 09:59 AM ET (US)     Profile for Chesapeake  Send Email to Chesapeake     
Steve Warren, what prop do you have on your Yamaha 90? I assume it is hanging on a 16'7 hull?

I haven't chosen the prop yet...

Bob

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