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Ed Stone posted 01-13-2001 02:16 PM ET (US)   Profile for Ed Stone   Send Email to Ed Stone  
I am anchor shopping for my 23 Whaler.
I somtimes fish in 80feet of water.
Should I spend the xtra dollars for
the fortress anchor(fx7).
I was thinking a 6ft vinyl coated chain.
As far as anchor line I'm leaning towards
300ft of 3/8 nylon 3 strand.
The anchor stows secure to the bow pulpit
with the line tied to the cleat inside the anchor locker.When using a chain I 'll have
to change somthing.

Any suggestions on anchors,chains,lines?
Ed Stone

Backlash posted 01-13-2001 02:39 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Hi Ed,
Yes, definately go with the Fortress. This is a light weight precision made anchor with tenacious holding power. I'd go with at lease 6' of chain if not 10' due to the light weight of the Fortress. 300' of 3/8" 3-strand is ideal for your 23. The 3-strand will stretch some which is what you want in an anchor rode.
I've got a Fortess on my 21 with 10' of chain and 250' of 3/8" 3-strand. The only problem I've ever had with this setup is anchoring in a swift current...due to it's light weight, the Fortress tends to "sail" and the longer chain will help to correct this.
As far as securing the Fortress with chain attached, I use a device for this very purpose (can't think of the name for it right now)that has a SS quick release pin that goes thru the chain link thus securing the anchor in the bow pulpit roller. This device is mounted between the bow pulpit roller and the anchor rode cleat on deck. I'll get back to you on the part number of this device.
Steve
Backlash posted 01-13-2001 02:53 PM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Ed,
Here's a link to the anchor locking device I use available from West:

http://www.westmarine.com/cgi-bin/ncommerce3/ProductDisplay?prmenbr=201&prrfnbr=4312&outlet=

There is also one available that uses a lever to apply tension.
Steve

jimh posted 01-13-2001 03:45 PM ET (US)     Profile for jimh  Send Email to jimh     
I have a bit of experience with anchoring. I'd estimate I've probably anchored overnight and slept aboard about 150 times. So far, we haven't dragged once. That was with a 11,000 pound sailboat. We tended to use more chain, like 10-20 feet. We used plain-jane Danforth style anchors, and lots of rode. Most of the time we were setting a comparatively small "lunch-hook", which weighed only 15-18 pounds.

The Fortress anchor seems to be decent. It is a little expensive compared to a plain-jane Danforth, but it would be nice to save weight in the bow, especially on a comparatively light boat like a 23-Whaler.

For bow-roller mounting, plenty of sailers use a Bruce anchor, but I don't think I've ever seen one on a power boat.


bigz posted 01-13-2001 04:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Ed, I would go with Steve's recommendation and use extra chain on the rode -- the Fortress for your new 23 would be perfect ---we have one on the 27 also have a 28lb Danforth style we haven't had to use yet --

Vinyl chain would be fine for your 23 (I prefer BBB galv)you also might check out the polymer coated galv chain just a little more expensive --- use stainless shackles and don't forget to secure the shackle pin eye with ss wire --- terrible to have that work loose --- bye bye anchor ---

Regards

Tom

Romano69 posted 01-13-2001 07:23 PM ET (US)     Profile for Romano69  Send Email to Romano69     
Also if your on a budget you could just use a cement block and throw it off the side and dount even mess with space taking rope i use .095 weedeater line. It holds very loose in high waves.The good thing with useing a cement block is when one of them big 56' charter boats pass (and you know they made big waves) when the wave hits the boat the block drags on the bottom and that takes alot of the stress of the bow.I've seen alot of bows get riped off the hull because the owner use top dollar anchors that cling to the sea bottom like a leach.Well thats my opinon.Romano V.
dgp posted 01-14-2001 09:04 AM ET (US)     Profile for dgp  Send Email to dgp     
Ro, Come-on! I think this crowd is one step above a cement block anchor system. I've never seen an anchored boat's bow ripped off because the anchor held too fast. That's why you have scope. Don
bigz posted 01-14-2001 09:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
Romano cool idea! I am sure that it works fine on your aluminum Jon boat. Isn't it a little rough on fiberglass gel coat? --- Z
Backlash posted 01-14-2001 10:29 AM ET (US)     Profile for Backlash  Send Email to Backlash     
Romano...just curious, what type of knot do you use to secure the .095 weedeater line to the cleat? Trilene knot? Do you buy the 275' spools?
Steve
Dan posted 01-15-2001 07:40 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dan  Send Email to Dan     
300 feet of line in 80 feet of water doesn't seem sufficient. Bow to water of about 3ft plus 80ft = 83ft x 6 for scope (more for rougher water and a bit less for calmer) = 498ft of line needed. 3/8th might be less comfortable to haul in than 1/2.
triblet posted 01-15-2001 11:46 PM ET (US)     Profile for triblet  Send Email to triblet     
That 6:1 scope number is for yachties
who are A) going to sleep and B) may have
to weather a big blow.

If there's a big blow, my Montauk and I

are most likely in the garage or hightailing
back to the harbor, not anchored.

I carry 200' of 3/8" line, 10' of chain (one
size heavier than recommended) and a small
genuine Danforth. I anchor in up to about
90'. Now, I do have the advantage of being
a diver and being able to move the anchor
to a better position at the beginning of the
dive. The only time I have trouble with
with the anchor dragging is if it gets fouled
in the chain on the way down. And that would
drag no matter how much scope I put out.

I would avoid the really cheap imitation
Danforths such as the Hooker Quick-Set.
I have two buddies who have found it just
doesn't hold AT ALL in sand, where an anchor
like that should be pretty good. A real
Danforth just burries itself in the sand
and doesn't budge.

Chuck

Ed Stone posted 01-17-2001 08:27 PM ET (US)     Profile for Ed Stone  Send Email to Ed Stone     
With the anchor mounted to the pulpit roller,
how do I avoid damage from the chain bouncing
against the gel coat? Maybe the vinly coated
chain would help.
Ed Stone

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