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Stamp posted 01-26-2001 10:00 AM ET (US)
I've got to repower my 1987 Outrage 18' and am thinking about investing in a Honda 4-stroke 130HP. Would someone please give me the pluses and minuses of this configuration (for use on the Chesapeake Bay). I'm particularly concerned about the added weight (engine is 505 lbs) and the less HP (replacing a Johnson 150HP).
Thanks
Stamp
Stamp posted 01-26-2001 02:20 PM ET (US)
Sorry for my short-sighted ignorance! I looked through the last year and found some great information. Still not sure what I'm gonna do though, but I like the thought of a 4 stroke ...
jimh posted 01-30-2001 09:05 AM ET (US)
The 4-stroke seems to be the outboard of the future. They certainly do have a track record.
The fuel-injected 2-stroke approach, in contrast, seems less proven. Their long-term reliability has not been established yet.
As you mention, weight (of the 4-strokes) is the big drawback at the moment, when you compare them to classic 2-stroke engines.
Maybe this will be the next area of development, shaving a few pounds off these 4-strokes.
--jimh
maverick posted 01-30-2001 06:11 PM ET (US)
Well, here's my 2 cents. I'm a good "mekanic" (lousy speller), and unless you have an extra couple grand to spend, I'd go with two stroke, tried and proven, light and fast. That is NOT to say the 4 stroke Honda 130, for example, would not be a good choice. It is quiet and smooth, and pollutes little compared to 2 cycle. Add fuel economy. BUT, I can buy LOTS of gas for a couple thousand bucks, and while the pollution is a personal factor, it is not enough to sway me. I have an 85 18.6 with 150 Johnson O-Pro, and it's a rocket. An extra 100 pounds of 4 stroke would mean little to my 18, as yours, but I like the blast of power, proven reliability, and less cost. They may force manufac. to stop/curtail bldg 2 cycles, but if you buy now you'll be grandfathered, I think - kinda like catalytic converters on cars. My 67 SS Chevelle is grandfathered and does not have to meet the enviro stds of tofay (in SCarolina). Now, the FUEL inj. 2 cycles..nope. Wouldn't do that. Cost, performance, ease of maintenance, been around, lots of good reasons to get 2 cycle. My 2 cents. VVrrrooommm! Maverick
Lil Whaler Lover posted 01-30-2001 08:49 PM ET (US)
If you are interested in big 4-strokes do not overlook the 115 hp Suzuki, Yamaha and Mercury. Powerboat Reports just published a thorough test of the Suzuki, Yamaha and Honda. The Suzuki and Yamaha are EFI engines and they significantly outperformed the Honda on the same hulls. They were quicker out of the hole, faster on top end and burned up to 30% less fuel than the Honda. They used a 19' boat and how much the results were impacted by the weight of the Honda is open to conjecture.
By the way they rated the Suzuki first and the Yamaha second. They did not test the Mercury because of its close similarity to the Yamaha.
There is very little difference between a 115 Honda and a 130 Honda, so I would guess the 115's would be okay if you are willing to consider a 130 Honda. Dave
Stamp posted 01-30-2001 09:54 PM ET (US)
Thanks for the info. I got a hold of the Power Boat reports and it has some good information. But I found a great deal on a 2000 Honda 130HP that I can't pass up. Maverick I'll let you know how the 130 compares to the Johnson 150HP (mine was a rocket as well until the engine blew). I found a Honda dealer (going out of business) in Virginia Beach that pretty much beat any thing else I could find.
jimh posted 01-31-2001 09:14 AM ET (US)
When you get the new Honda 130 on the 18-Outrage, please let us know how it runs.
Honda has a great reputation for 4-stroke outboards, but for some reason they are rare on Whaler transoms. See the recent poll where they came in last!
The power sounds about right, and the 18-foot hull can tolerate the weight, so I think you will have good performance.
Get that boat rigged up, put some miles under the keel, and take some pictures for us.
--jimh
maverick posted 01-31-2001 06:16 PM ET (US)
Stamp and others - MOTOR ALERT! Good friend of mine was at Columbia, South Carolina boat show last Saturday. One dealer in particular was selling CHEAP - how cheap? New, in the box 50HP Johnson, $2495, cash and carry. He had three. I suspect there may be other deals coming up, possibly on bigger motors. Just a guess. You may want to wait on that Honda as some OMC deals may soon surface. Best, Mav
Dan posted 01-31-2001 09:14 PM ET (US)
I know someone who has a 130 Honda on a Boston Whaler Ventura and loves it.

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Author	Topic: Re-powering my B.W. Outrage 18'
Stamp	posted 01-26-2001 10:00 AM ET (US) I've got to repower my 1987 Outrage 18' and am thinking about investing in a Honda 4-stroke 130HP. Would someone please give me the pluses and minuses of this configuration (for use on the Chesapeake Bay). I'm particularly concerned about the added weight (engine is 505 lbs) and the less HP (replacing a Johnson 150HP). Thanks Stamp
Stamp	posted 01-26-2001 02:20 PM ET (US) Sorry for my short-sighted ignorance! I looked through the last year and found some great information. Still not sure what I'm gonna do though, but I like the thought of a 4 stroke ...
jimh	posted 01-30-2001 09:05 AM ET (US) The 4-stroke seems to be the outboard of the future. They certainly do have a track record. The fuel-injected 2-stroke approach, in contrast, seems less proven. Their long-term reliability has not been established yet. As you mention, weight (of the 4-strokes) is the big drawback at the moment, when you compare them to classic 2-stroke engines. Maybe this will be the next area of development, shaving a few pounds off these 4-strokes. --jimh
maverick	posted 01-30-2001 06:11 PM ET (US) Well, here's my 2 cents. I'm a good "mekanic" (lousy speller), and unless you have an extra couple grand to spend, I'd go with two stroke, tried and proven, light and fast. That is NOT to say the 4 stroke Honda 130, for example, would not be a good choice. It is quiet and smooth, and pollutes little compared to 2 cycle. Add fuel economy. BUT, I can buy LOTS of gas for a couple thousand bucks, and while the pollution is a personal factor, it is not enough to sway me. I have an 85 18.6 with 150 Johnson O-Pro, and it's a rocket. An extra 100 pounds of 4 stroke would mean little to my 18, as yours, but I like the blast of power, proven reliability, and less cost. They may force manufac. to stop/curtail bldg 2 cycles, but if you buy now you'll be grandfathered, I think - kinda like catalytic converters on cars. My 67 SS Chevelle is grandfathered and does not have to meet the enviro stds of tofay (in SCarolina). Now, the FUEL inj. 2 cycles..nope. Wouldn't do that. Cost, performance, ease of maintenance, been around, lots of good reasons to get 2 cycle. My 2 cents. VVrrrooommm! Maverick
Lil Whaler Lover	posted 01-30-2001 08:49 PM ET (US) If you are interested in big 4-strokes do not overlook the 115 hp Suzuki, Yamaha and Mercury. Powerboat Reports just published a thorough test of the Suzuki, Yamaha and Honda. The Suzuki and Yamaha are EFI engines and they significantly outperformed the Honda on the same hulls. They were quicker out of the hole, faster on top end and burned up to 30% less fuel than the Honda. They used a 19' boat and how much the results were impacted by the weight of the Honda is open to conjecture. By the way they rated the Suzuki first and the Yamaha second. They did not test the Mercury because of its close similarity to the Yamaha. There is very little difference between a 115 Honda and a 130 Honda, so I would guess the 115's would be okay if you are willing to consider a 130 Honda. Dave
Stamp	posted 01-30-2001 09:54 PM ET (US) Thanks for the info. I got a hold of the Power Boat reports and it has some good information. But I found a great deal on a 2000 Honda 130HP that I can't pass up. Maverick I'll let you know how the 130 compares to the Johnson 150HP (mine was a rocket as well until the engine blew). I found a Honda dealer (going out of business) in Virginia Beach that pretty much beat any thing else I could find.
jimh	posted 01-31-2001 09:14 AM ET (US) When you get the new Honda 130 on the 18-Outrage, please let us know how it runs. Honda has a great reputation for 4-stroke outboards, but for some reason they are rare on Whaler transoms. See the recent poll where they came in last! The power sounds about right, and the 18-foot hull can tolerate the weight, so I think you will have good performance. Get that boat rigged up, put some miles under the keel, and take some pictures for us. --jimh
maverick	posted 01-31-2001 06:16 PM ET (US) Stamp and others - MOTOR ALERT! Good friend of mine was at Columbia, South Carolina boat show last Saturday. One dealer in particular was selling CHEAP - how cheap? New, in the box 50HP Johnson, $2495, cash and carry. He had three. I suspect there may be other deals coming up, possibly on bigger motors. Just a guess. You may want to wait on that Honda as some OMC deals may soon surface. Best, Mav
Dan	posted 01-31-2001 09:14 PM ET (US) I know someone who has a 130 Honda on a Boston Whaler Ventura and loves it.