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CarlRobert posted 03-10-2001 08:48 PM ET (US)   Profile for CarlRobert  
Well, I'm about to take the plunge and buy a new 4 stroke for my 1962 13' Sport. It'll either be a Yamaha 40 or the Merc 40, both with a 15" shaft and manual start. The Yamaha 40 has power tilt and trim as standard equipment and in the Bay Area of CA. is priced at about $4200. The Merc 40 is priced at about $3800 (no pt&t). The dealers tell me the Merc has a Yamaha powerhead.

My question to the board, any input as to which is the better motor? Also, as I'm fairly handy with tools, is it feasible for one to hook up the cables and controls himself or leave it to the pros? I still have the cable-pully steering system.

I'm leaning toward the Yamaha.

This forum has been of great value already, and one day I would be honored to have photos of my Whaler posted on this site. Meanwhile, the grass in the backyard gets longer, but, who cares when there is a Classic Whaler in the garage to use and restore...CarlR

whalernut posted 03-10-2001 09:43 PM ET (US)     Profile for whalernut  Send Email to whalernut     
Carl, I am not exactly sure of the weight difference, but the Yamaha I think is lighter? That is odd about the power tilt/trim, but manual start. I would think with the use of a battery already for the tilt/trim, the motor would be electric start? Is that the only motor/brand that has that unusual combo? Regards-Jack Graner.
CarlRobert posted 03-10-2001 10:18 PM ET (US)     Profile for CarlRobert    
Jack,

I meant "electric start". Thanks for pointing out my error. The weight for the Yamaha 40 @ 15" is 181 lbs. while the Merc is a little over 200 lbs. I'm not too concerned with weight. The previous owner the boat had only a 15 hp mounted, and the transom appears to be in excellent shape.

Thanks again...CarlR

AZdave posted 03-10-2001 11:59 PM ET (US)     Profile for AZdave  Send Email to AZdave     
I think the weight issue is important in these older hulls with the cut down transoms. My '68 13' is better balanced with a 30hp two cycle Yamaha than it was with the vintage Evinrude 40hp that was mounted when I got it. I don't worry as much about fast back-downs and taking the wakes of other boats over the stern. I think the 30hp is about 130lbs. It's about all I would want to tilt by hand while bracing myself on the transom. I bet you will love either one. Dave
awares posted 03-11-2001 12:06 AM ET (US)     Profile for awares  Send Email to awares     
The other day when I picked up my new 2001
13' Sport I asked about the difference between Yamaha and Mercury 40hp 4 strokes.
I thought since he carried both brands he could tell me the difference between the two.
Yamaha makes the 40hp 4 stroke for Mercury
and the only thing difference is the housings. You never know what you are buying these days.
CarlRobert posted 03-11-2001 12:23 AM ET (US)     Profile for CarlRobert    
AZdave,

What's interesting when comparing the same brand 4 strokes, is that the weight of the 40 hp Yamaha ( 181 lbs, 15" shaft) is less than the 30 hp Yamaha, because Yamaha only makes the 30 with a 20" shaft (198 lbs). The 40 hp and 30 hp Mercs are advertised as identical in weight.

I don't really want to go lower than 30 for what I want to use the boat for. I'd consider a 2 stroke to save weight and money, but with any outboard being a substantial outlay of money, I want to make sure I can use it in freshwater lakes for years to come. I have a gut feeling that conventional 2 strokes (even oil injected models) will be banned from many freshwater lakes in California in the next few years, ie: Lake Tahoe.

RHLOOS posted 03-11-2001 06:20 AM ET (US)     Profile for RHLOOS  Send Email to RHLOOS     
CARLROBERT, I HAVE THE 2000 YAMAHA 4-STROKE IN 15" SHAFT. POWER TILT AND TRIM WAS NOT AVAILABLE! ONLY AVAILABLE ON 20" SHAFT MODEL. BETTER CHECK WITH DEALER. THE MOTOR IS VERY HEAVY, AND DID CHANGE THE ATTITUDE OF THE BOAT QUITE A BIT. WISH THE MOTOR WAS LIGHTER, BUT THE BOAT HANDELS IT OK, JUST CAN'T BACK OFF THROTLE ALL AT ONCE. EVERYTHING CONSIDERED I LOVE THE MOTOR, ROB
bigz posted 03-11-2001 08:41 AM ET (US)     Profile for bigz    
"Mercury/Yamaha 4 stroke OB Joint Venture" topic might be of interest to you fellows discussing this subject --
lhg posted 03-11-2001 02:07 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Carl or Robert (which is is your first name?!!): You should read Jimh's bracket article before buying a 15" engine. I STRONGLY recommend you purchase a 20" shaft engine for your 13, and accomplish this by installing it on a 5" or 6" setback transom jack. This will also help you with the installation of the mechanical steering ram in the tilt-tube, which you SHOULD also do. You can install a Teleflex NFB system for about $150. A 200 lb engine should not be a problem for the boat. Be sure to get power trim and electric start. Mercury now offers a nice little four blade prop (Trophy Sport) for the 30-60HP engines that, when combined with a height adjustable transom jack, should allow you to optimize performance to your preference.

If it were me, I'd buy the engine out-of-state, saving sales tax, and have it shipped in the box. Complete rigging/installation instructions are furnished, (at least with the Mercs), and it is simple to do.

Are you sure you want a 4 stroke? A brand new 2001 Merc 40 2 stroke, Oil injected (tank on engine) and PT is only about $3200 bought right. Whaler is still selling a lot of the new Sport 13's this way. It's a nice little engine, and pretty clean running.

Incidentally, with no Bombardier produced Evinrude or Johnsons on the immediate horizon for this summer/fall, I'm hearing new outboards are getting scarce already in certain HP ranges. So buy soon!

Dick posted 03-11-2001 04:10 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
You can save money and sales tax by purchasing out of state but if you want good service buy from the dealer who will be doing the service work.
I know how I ran my dealerships if the motor and/or boat wasn't purchased from us warranty work would be taken care of but at our convenience, which means behind anything we had sold. I'm sure I am not alone in this practice. Support your local dealer, it's money into your community.
lhg posted 03-11-2001 07:02 PM ET (US)     Profile for lhg    
Dick certainly makes a good point that is hard to disagree with from his point of view. But, as we all know, this internet and direct mail catalog & super store marketing is changing the way business is conducted, wheter we like it or not, and admittedly, is a huge concern to the Marine industry. So one has to make their own decision here. There is no single correct answer here. AS an example, solely because of the internet, used Whaler buyers are searching and traveling all over the country just to find what they want. The local market is not broad enough.

But regarding Warranty work, this is something I expect, and hope, not to ever need when I buy an engine in the first place, so it has never been much of a concern to me. Somebody telling me I'll get great warranty work could be selling a product I don't want to buy! Warranty work is a pain, it means taking my boat out of service when I need it most, and ruining my valuable recreational time, and maybe getting stranded out on the water. Most of us go out of our way to select what we believe will be a trouble free outboard. With the many Mercurys that I have purchased new, I've never needed warranty work within the warranty period of any significance. Only once, I had about $250 worth of warranty work done for me at no charge. The engines HAVE been that good, and I treat them right. I know people with similar experiences with Yamaha and OMC.
Now with OMC Ficht, we all know that's a different story, and a local dealer purchase would be of utmost importance there.

I guess it somewhat depends on what product you are buying. I bought both of my current specially ordered new Whalers by "telephone shopping", and outside of my boating areas.
I KNEW I would never need significant warranty work on them, quite correctly, and neither has EVER been to back to a Dealer for warranty service (or any other kind of service). Any BW Dealer that has sold me replacement parts, for my installation, has always been extremely helpful, and didn't even seem to care where the boat was purchased. This says a lot for BW's old time Delaership network. All have been great people from my experience.

CarlRobert posted 03-12-2001 12:08 AM ET (US)     Profile for CarlRobert    
Thanks all for the replies with the info and advice. Having once been a small businessman, I can appreciate supporting local dealers. Yet, I have a hard time when the local Yamaha dealer and Merc dealer (both in San Jose) have to read off the engine specs, and standard/optional equipment from the same brochures they gave me!

I'd consider a 2 stroke but for two reasons. First, it appears in past topics on this board concerning 2 vs 4 stroke motors, those who bought the 4 stroke would never go back to a 2 stroke. Second, a condition imposed upon me by my wife in exchange for spending our tax refund on a new motor, is that we can use the boat and motor in Lake Tahoe, one of her favorite destinations. Now, if the powers that be relaxed their ban on 2 strokes in Tahoe...

Maerd posted 03-12-2001 10:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Maerd    
Dick - Right on. I would never buy out of state. I support my dealer. When I bought my 1999 Outrage I haggled just a little bit and then I wrote the check. I told the sales mgr I wanted her firm to be there for me and I expected top service in return. They threw in extra yr on extended motor warranty for free. I am fifty miles away from the dealer and when I had problem with the 250 Mercury they came and picked the boat up the next day. Had it back the next. Motor was under warranty but they could have charged me for the pickup and delivery which is $150 hour. 2 hrs each way. No Charge. You guessed it. Two days later same problem (fuel line) and they came the same day and picked up the boat and fixed it and returned it the next day. No charge. Had recall on a bolt that is part of the steering on Merc and they came and fixed it at the marina. No charge. I am happy customer and told the dealer if they ever wanted to use my boat to give a potential customer a test ride it was theirs. I keep my boat at the dealers in heated storage for the winter. (not for free) LOL I buy my oil from the dealer.
Dick posted 03-12-2001 11:20 PM ET (US)     Profile for Dick  Send Email to Dick     
Maerd
You have a great dealer there. Sorry to say not all are as dedicated to customer satisfaction. With the changing outboard market hopefully those who feel that the sale is the end of the process will wake up and realize that if they don't price competevley and provide good service they are not going to sell motors.
If I were still in the retail business and was loosing sales to out of state dealers I sure would ask myself, Why?
Dick

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